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		<title>By: JJJ</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2005/06/23/cracking-the-flag-burning-amendment/#comment-62619</link>
		<dc:creator>JJJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are idiots ... why would you want to burn a flag just to protest. gosh what are you guys thinking. Seriously get a life.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are idiots &#8230; why would you want to burn a flag just to protest. gosh what are you guys thinking. Seriously get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need something about burning for my homework not a bunch of flags
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need something about burning for my homework not a bunch of flags</p>
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		<title>By: jonas</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why can&#039;t anyone explain burning not something about flags
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		<title>By: Somael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carisoprodol is best pain killer! Buy it! <a href="http://haygoodlab.ucsd.edu/discus/messages/24/404.html" rel="nofollow">http://haygoodlab.ucsd.edu/discus/messages/24/404.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not against the idea of the Amendement.  I think that the thought behind it is good; however, there are far to many ways around it and too many things about it that can be construed in different ways. It seems to me that both the Senate and the House of Representatives and who ever else spends large quanities of time on this issue must have something far more important and essential to do then repeatidly bring this Amendment into consideration.  It has been considered unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.  It is time for the government to move on to more important issues.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not against the idea of the Amendement.  I think that the thought behind it is good; however, there are far to many ways around it and too many things about it that can be construed in different ways. It seems to me that both the Senate and the House of Representatives and who ever else spends large quanities of time on this issue must have something far more important and essential to do then repeatidly bring this Amendment into consideration.  It has been considered unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.  It is time for the government to move on to more important issues.</p>
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		<title>By: BD2412</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2005/06/23/cracking-the-flag-burning-amendment/#comment-62614</link>
		<dc:creator>BD2412</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This .PDF (http://www.fac.org/PDF/FirstReport.Flag.Desecration_FINAL.PDF) is an interesting analysis of the proposed amendment by the First Amendment center, essentially concluding that the courts would likely construe the amendment so narrowly as to render it virtually meaningless (or, at any rate, not worth the cost and effort of passing it).

In the meantime, I propose an alternative. When you&#039;re in the mood for a flag-burning, take a good long look at the people running this country, where they are from, and what they stand for, and take a good long look at the people who most virulently support this amendment, where they are from, and what they stand for... and then go burn a Confederate flag.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This .PDF (<a href="http://www.fac.org/PDF/FirstReport.Flag.Desecration_FINAL.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.fac.org/PDF/FirstReport.Flag.Desecration_FINAL.PDF</a>) is an interesting analysis of the proposed amendment by the First Amendment center, essentially concluding that the courts would likely construe the amendment so narrowly as to render it virtually meaningless (or, at any rate, not worth the cost and effort of passing it).</p>
<p>In the meantime, I propose an alternative. When you&#8217;re in the mood for a flag-burning, take a good long look at the people running this country, where they are from, and what they stand for, and take a good long look at the people who most virulently support this amendment, where they are from, and what they stand for&#8230; and then go burn a Confederate flag.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-huh. Oddly enough, that little idea would be a violation of the Constitution, which, as symbols of America go, is a rather more pertinent one than the flag. But thanks for sharing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-huh. Oddly enough, that little idea would be a violation of the Constitution, which, as symbols of America go, is a rather more pertinent one than the flag. But thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: America</title>
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		<dc:creator>America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck all u basterd that think the flag should be burnt and read this

Written by Tom Adkins
(7/1/98)

What do we do about people who want to burn the American flag? You know...those folks who want to stomp all over it, or spit on it to make some sort of &quot;statement.&quot;  Some say the first Amendment gives us the right to desecrate the American flag. Others want to make it illegal. This is a tough one. What should we do?  I can solve this one easily. I believe we should have a simple requirement. Let flag desecration be legal, but you have to have three sponsors who will give you written permission. Those sponsors should be from a panel of experts who might be considered &quot;qualified&quot; to give such permission.

First, you need a signature of a war veteran. How about a Marine who fought at Iwo Jima?

The men who raised that flag over Iwo Jima did so on the bodies of thousands of dead Americans, who gave their lives so a few could raise the flag in defiant claim of that last island in a long, bloody march to defeat the Japanese. What did those Marines think about the flag as they watched their comrades get slaughtered? Every battle with the Japanese was horrific. Each day meant half of everyone you knew would be dead tomorrow. Your own future was a coin flip away from a bloody death in a place your family couldn&#039;t pronounce. Or you could ask a Vietnam vet who spent years in a POW prison, tortured in small, filthy cells unfit for a dog. Or  Korean War soldiers who rescued half a nation from communism, or the Desert Storm warriors who repulsed a bloody dictator from raping and pillaging an innocent country, to find people from a foreign land kiss our flag as we drove through their streets.

To every American soldier who ever fought for the United States, that flag represented your mother and father, your sister and brother, your friends, neighbors, your fellow countrymen...In fact it stands for your freedom, guaranteed by your nation. Those who fought, fought for that flag.
Those who died, died for that flag. I wonder what they would say if someone asked their permission to burn a flag?

Next, you need a signature of an immigrant. Preferably one who left their family behind. Their brothers and sisters languish in their native land, often subject to tyranny, poverty and failure, while America offers freedom and prosperity.

Some have seen friends and family be tortured and murdered by their own government for daring to do many things we take for granted every day. Many give their lives in the struggle just to touch our shores, even as America turns its back and returns them to face persecution once again in their native land.  For those who risked everything simply for the chance to become an American...what kind of feelings do they have for the flag when they pledge allegiance to it for the first time? Go to a naturalization ceremony and see for yourself, the tears of pride, the thanks, the love and respect of this nation, as they finally embrace the flag of our nation as their own. Then, walk up and ask one of them if it would be OK to spit on the flag.

Last, you need a signature from someone living in a foreign land who cannot get here. Say, Rwanda. Or maybe Bosnia. Maybe even Haiti. You might have to move fast, as they flee oppressors who attack them with machete&#039;s or shoot at them randomly in a marketplace. I&#039;m sure they will never question your sanity as they duck for cover.

The writers of the Declaration of Independence are long gone. I wonder what they thought of the American flag as they drafted that document? They knew such an act would drag the nation into war with England, the greatest power on earth. Did the flag mean anything to them?

They knew failure of independence meant more than just a disappointment. It meant a noose would be snugly stretched around their necks. I wonder how they&#039;d feel if someone asked their permission to toss the flag in a mud puddle?

In the absence of family, the absence of the precious shores of home, in the face of overwhelming odds and often in the face of death itself, the American flag inspires those who believe in the American dream, the American promise, the American vision...

Americans who don&#039;t appreciate the flag are usually those who don&#039;t appreciate this nation. And those who appreciate this nation appreciate the American flag.

So if you would, before you desecrate the American flag, before you spit on it, before you ignore it or despise it...please ask permission. Not from the constitution. Not from some obscure law. Not from the politicians or the pundits.

Please ask permission from those who founded the nation. Please ask those who defended our shores so that we may be free today. Please ask those who fought to reach our shores so that they may partake in the American dream.

And then, please ask permission from those who died wishing they could, just once ... or once again...see, touch or kiss the flag that stands for our nation, the United States of America...the greatest nation on earth.


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<p>Written by Tom Adkins<br />
(7/1/98)</p>
<p>What do we do about people who want to burn the American flag? You know&#8230;those folks who want to stomp all over it, or spit on it to make some sort of &#8220;statement.&#8221;  Some say the first Amendment gives us the right to desecrate the American flag. Others want to make it illegal. This is a tough one. What should we do?  I can solve this one easily. I believe we should have a simple requirement. Let flag desecration be legal, but you have to have three sponsors who will give you written permission. Those sponsors should be from a panel of experts who might be considered &#8220;qualified&#8221; to give such permission.</p>
<p>First, you need a signature of a war veteran. How about a Marine who fought at Iwo Jima?</p>
<p>The men who raised that flag over Iwo Jima did so on the bodies of thousands of dead Americans, who gave their lives so a few could raise the flag in defiant claim of that last island in a long, bloody march to defeat the Japanese. What did those Marines think about the flag as they watched their comrades get slaughtered? Every battle with the Japanese was horrific. Each day meant half of everyone you knew would be dead tomorrow. Your own future was a coin flip away from a bloody death in a place your family couldn&#8217;t pronounce. Or you could ask a Vietnam vet who spent years in a POW prison, tortured in small, filthy cells unfit for a dog. Or  Korean War soldiers who rescued half a nation from communism, or the Desert Storm warriors who repulsed a bloody dictator from raping and pillaging an innocent country, to find people from a foreign land kiss our flag as we drove through their streets.</p>
<p>To every American soldier who ever fought for the United States, that flag represented your mother and father, your sister and brother, your friends, neighbors, your fellow countrymen&#8230;In fact it stands for your freedom, guaranteed by your nation. Those who fought, fought for that flag.<br />
Those who died, died for that flag. I wonder what they would say if someone asked their permission to burn a flag?</p>
<p>Next, you need a signature of an immigrant. Preferably one who left their family behind. Their brothers and sisters languish in their native land, often subject to tyranny, poverty and failure, while America offers freedom and prosperity.</p>
<p>Some have seen friends and family be tortured and murdered by their own government for daring to do many things we take for granted every day. Many give their lives in the struggle just to touch our shores, even as America turns its back and returns them to face persecution once again in their native land.  For those who risked everything simply for the chance to become an American&#8230;what kind of feelings do they have for the flag when they pledge allegiance to it for the first time? Go to a naturalization ceremony and see for yourself, the tears of pride, the thanks, the love and respect of this nation, as they finally embrace the flag of our nation as their own. Then, walk up and ask one of them if it would be OK to spit on the flag.</p>
<p>Last, you need a signature from someone living in a foreign land who cannot get here. Say, Rwanda. Or maybe Bosnia. Maybe even Haiti. You might have to move fast, as they flee oppressors who attack them with machete&#8217;s or shoot at them randomly in a marketplace. I&#8217;m sure they will never question your sanity as they duck for cover.</p>
<p>The writers of the Declaration of Independence are long gone. I wonder what they thought of the American flag as they drafted that document? They knew such an act would drag the nation into war with England, the greatest power on earth. Did the flag mean anything to them?</p>
<p>They knew failure of independence meant more than just a disappointment. It meant a noose would be snugly stretched around their necks. I wonder how they&#8217;d feel if someone asked their permission to toss the flag in a mud puddle?</p>
<p>In the absence of family, the absence of the precious shores of home, in the face of overwhelming odds and often in the face of death itself, the American flag inspires those who believe in the American dream, the American promise, the American vision&#8230;</p>
<p>Americans who don&#8217;t appreciate the flag are usually those who don&#8217;t appreciate this nation. And those who appreciate this nation appreciate the American flag.</p>
<p>So if you would, before you desecrate the American flag, before you spit on it, before you ignore it or despise it&#8230;please ask permission. Not from the constitution. Not from some obscure law. Not from the politicians or the pundits.</p>
<p>Please ask permission from those who founded the nation. Please ask those who defended our shores so that we may be free today. Please ask those who fought to reach our shores so that they may partake in the American dream.</p>
<p>And then, please ask permission from those who died wishing they could, just once &#8230; or once again&#8230;see, touch or kiss the flag that stands for our nation, the United States of America&#8230;the greatest nation on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: dmk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the burning of a flag is so important and represents such a great freedom, then why do those who commit this act always do so while surrounded by others who share their opinion.  I mean come now if this is such a sacred right why not try to burn a flag in the front of a VFW, or better how about on post at Fort Bragg.  Come now, if it is so important as a symbol for you to burn surely it must be as important a symbol to put your ass on the line to do it.

But then again that would take courage, something that some many who want to burn the flag seem to lack.  It is easy to do what is popular, when you fit in with the group.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the burning of a flag is so important and represents such a great freedom, then why do those who commit this act always do so while surrounded by others who share their opinion.  I mean come now if this is such a sacred right why not try to burn a flag in the front of a VFW, or better how about on post at Fort Bragg.  Come now, if it is so important as a symbol for you to burn surely it must be as important a symbol to put your ass on the line to do it.</p>
<p>But then again that would take courage, something that some many who want to burn the flag seem to lack.  It is easy to do what is popular, when you fit in with the group.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a veteran, I positively HATE people using me as a poster child.  You know: &quot;We need to PROTECT our flag for the brave men and women who fought for it.&quot;

Um, no.  My oath is to the CONSTITUTION.  And I can speak for myself quite handily, thank you.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a veteran, I positively HATE people using me as a poster child.  You know: &#8220;We need to PROTECT our flag for the brave men and women who fought for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, no.  My oath is to the CONSTITUTION.  And I can speak for myself quite handily, thank you.</p>
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