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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  I wish I could edit my post.  I meant to say:

&quot;Extrapolating current ethnic diversity into the future, and assuming (perhaps wrongly) a greater share of power for non-Westerners in human society, I would expect to run into more, not fewer, names and people of obviously non-Western heritage than I do living in modern-day America in Scalzi&#039;s work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.  I wish I could edit my post.  I meant to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Extrapolating current ethnic diversity into the future, and assuming (perhaps wrongly) a greater share of power for non-Westerners in human society, I would expect to run into more, not fewer, names and people of obviously non-Western heritage than I do living in modern-day America in Scalzi&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only read OMW and GB, so whatever ethnic diversity exists in TLC is unknown to me.

But I must say that I saw the vanilla names and backgrounds of the people in the first two books a glaring flaw in the novels, which were otherwise, in my opinion, very well done and not right wing at all, ala John Ringo.

I actually was pleasantly surprised and amused last night when I read Boudin&#039;s little critique in GB of how everyone in the SF has really European names, not just the last names but the first ones, too.

I thought it might have been a moment of ironic self-critique by the author.  Was I right?

Because it doesn&#039;t make much sense to me that nearly all the characters we meet in the first two books have very common names of European origin.  Extrapolating current ethnic diversity into the future, and assuming (perhpas wrongly) a greater share of power for non-Westerners in human society.

I&#039;m afraid the current economic and cultural power of the &quot;Western&quot; world, i.e. Europe and the US, in media and movies of all kinds, has indeed made the &quot;default&quot; perception of characters &quot;white&quot;.  With the names John Scalzi has given his characters in the first two books, no one would have any reason to believe that his characters are anything other than Caucasian.

By not including the markers Skar begs to be spared of, JS gives most readers a picture of the world that is very white by default.  He may not have meant it, and there are ways to rationalize it and blame the readers, but I think Boudin&#039;s critique is, in this instance, a fair one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only read OMW and GB, so whatever ethnic diversity exists in TLC is unknown to me.</p>
<p>But I must say that I saw the vanilla names and backgrounds of the people in the first two books a glaring flaw in the novels, which were otherwise, in my opinion, very well done and not right wing at all, ala John Ringo.</p>
<p>I actually was pleasantly surprised and amused last night when I read Boudin&#8217;s little critique in GB of how everyone in the SF has really European names, not just the last names but the first ones, too.</p>
<p>I thought it might have been a moment of ironic self-critique by the author.  Was I right?</p>
<p>Because it doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me that nearly all the characters we meet in the first two books have very common names of European origin.  Extrapolating current ethnic diversity into the future, and assuming (perhpas wrongly) a greater share of power for non-Westerners in human society.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid the current economic and cultural power of the &#8220;Western&#8221; world, i.e. Europe and the US, in media and movies of all kinds, has indeed made the &#8220;default&#8221; perception of characters &#8220;white&#8221;.  With the names John Scalzi has given his characters in the first two books, no one would have any reason to believe that his characters are anything other than Caucasian.</p>
<p>By not including the markers Skar begs to be spared of, JS gives most readers a picture of the world that is very white by default.  He may not have meant it, and there are ways to rationalize it and blame the readers, but I think Boudin&#8217;s critique is, in this instance, a fair one.</p>
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		<title>By: Skar</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Skar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, please, I beg you...Don&#039;t start putting racial markers in your fiction for the sake of social activism.

I like your books.  If putting racial markers in serves your story, I&#039;m all for it.  But please don&#039;t bow down to the thought police who would like to dictate how I picture YOUR characters in order to bring ME more in line with THEIR ideal world-view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, please, I beg you&#8230;Don&#8217;t start putting racial markers in your fiction for the sake of social activism.</p>
<p>I like your books.  If putting racial markers in serves your story, I&#8217;m all for it.  But please don&#8217;t bow down to the thought police who would like to dictate how I picture YOUR characters in order to bring ME more in line with THEIR ideal world-view.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I went so far as to actually buy a Radiohead album, but I was just experimenting.  I went back to Jonatha Brooke and Pearl Jam soon afterwards.  I have to say, though, I&#039;m not sorry I experimented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I went so far as to actually buy a Radiohead album, but I was just experimenting.  I went back to Jonatha Brooke and Pearl Jam soon afterwards.  I have to say, though, I&#8217;m not sorry I experimented.</p>
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		<title>By: Tentacle Porn</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>Tentacle Porn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...  Meant to change my name back...  This whole &#039;Tentacle Porn&#039; thing is so four threads ago....  Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;  Meant to change my name back&#8230;  This whole &#8216;Tentacle Porn&#8217; thing is so four threads ago&#8230;.  Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tentacle Porn</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Tentacle Porn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are there so many songs about rainbows
And what&#039;s on the other side?
Rainbows are visions, but only illusions,
And rainbows have nothing to hide.
So we&#039;ve been told and some choose to believe it
I know they&#039;re wrong, wait and see.
Someday we&#039;ll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers and me.

All of us under its spell,
We know that it&#039;s probably magic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are there so many songs about rainbows<br />
And what&#8217;s on the other side?<br />
Rainbows are visions, but only illusions,<br />
And rainbows have nothing to hide.<br />
So we&#8217;ve been told and some choose to believe it<br />
I know they&#8217;re wrong, wait and see.<br />
Someday we&#8217;ll find it, the rainbow connection,<br />
The lovers, the dreamers and me.</p>
<p>All of us under its spell,<br />
We know that it&#8217;s probably magic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was that one time I listened to Radiohead, with a friend of mine. It just sort of happened. I think we were pretty drunk at the time. Doesn&#039;t make me a &lt;i&gt;Radiohead fan&lt;/i&gt;, though. You have to do it at least twice to be one of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was that one time I listened to Radiohead, with a friend of mine. It just sort of happened. I think we were pretty drunk at the time. Doesn&#8217;t make me a <i>Radiohead fan</i>, though. You have to do it at least twice to be one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: An Eric</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/10/20/a-little-more-on-people-like-me/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>An Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That’s the great thing about living in AMERICA, even a federal law cannot make you like queers, &lt;b&gt;or any other rainbow oriented people. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Although I&#039;m a pretty big Radiohead fan, I have to admit that the new album is slightly underwhelming.  It&#039;s an extremely solid record, don&#039;t get me wrong.  But it doesn&#039;t exactly tread new ground the way &lt;i&gt;O.K. Computer&lt;/i&gt; or the &lt;i&gt;Amnesiac/Kid A&lt;/i&gt; pair of records did.  Rather, the new album treads much of the same ground as &lt;i&gt;Hail To The Thief&lt;/i&gt;, albeit in a more natural and less-forced sounding way.

Of course, since the band is allowing you to &quot;name your own price&quot; for the music download, and since you apparently &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; enter &quot;0&quot; for a price, why not grab a copy for free?  (I paid &quot;too much&quot; for the album simply because I wanted to support the band&#039;s efforts in finding new distribution channels.  While Radiohead&#039;s efforts to subvert the normal channels &lt;i&gt;isn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; innovative--a number of bands have been doing this for a while now, e.g. Harvey Danger, Radiohead certainly has a higher profile than most.)

People who aren&#039;t rainbow oriented but want to give Radiohead a try might start with their second album, &lt;i&gt;The Bends&lt;/i&gt;.  The aforementioned &lt;i&gt;O.K. Computer&lt;/i&gt; is also a modern classic, and well worth your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That’s the great thing about living in AMERICA, even a federal law cannot make you like queers, <b>or any other rainbow oriented people. </b></i></p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m a pretty big Radiohead fan, I have to admit that the new album is slightly underwhelming.  It&#8217;s an extremely solid record, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  But it doesn&#8217;t exactly tread new ground the way <i>O.K. Computer</i> or the <i>Amnesiac/Kid A</i> pair of records did.  Rather, the new album treads much of the same ground as <i>Hail To The Thief</i>, albeit in a more natural and less-forced sounding way.</p>
<p>Of course, since the band is allowing you to &#8220;name your own price&#8221; for the music download, and since you apparently <i>can</i> enter &#8220;0&#8243; for a price, why not grab a copy for free?  (I paid &#8220;too much&#8221; for the album simply because I wanted to support the band&#8217;s efforts in finding new distribution channels.  While Radiohead&#8217;s efforts to subvert the normal channels <i>isn&#8217;t</i> innovative&#8211;a number of bands have been doing this for a while now, e.g. Harvey Danger, Radiohead certainly has a higher profile than most.)</p>
<p>People who aren&#8217;t rainbow oriented but want to give Radiohead a try might start with their second album, <i>The Bends</i>.  The aforementioned <i>O.K. Computer</i> is also a modern classic, and well worth your time.</p>
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		<title>By: marciepooh</title>
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		<dc:creator>marciepooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit off the topic of the comments but you&#039;re comment about the student&#039;s with poor English skills at Webb reminded me of my high school and graduate program.

In high school the Korean students tended to hang out together because, I guess, they could speak Korean and help the ones who didn&#039;t speak much English. (We must not have had another single nationality in large numbers, because I don&#039;t remember any other similar group) My high school in Fairfax county, Va was about 60/40 to 70/30 &quot;white&quot;/&quot;non-white.&quot; My Tuscaloosa Co. Alabama high school was about 50/50 white/black and there was a lot of racially divided cliques.

The graduate program I was in had (and still has) a lot of foreign students. After American, Chinese is probably the most common nationality. Many of the Chinese student didn&#039;t socialize much with the American or other students and this, I believe, was because of poor English. Only one or two joined the department softball team while I was there and one student, who was very outgoing to begin with, made an effort to speak to the American students to improve his English. I don&#039;t blame them, I would hang out with other English speakers if I was in a non-English speaking country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off the topic of the comments but you&#8217;re comment about the student&#8217;s with poor English skills at Webb reminded me of my high school and graduate program.</p>
<p>In high school the Korean students tended to hang out together because, I guess, they could speak Korean and help the ones who didn&#8217;t speak much English. (We must not have had another single nationality in large numbers, because I don&#8217;t remember any other similar group) My high school in Fairfax county, Va was about 60/40 to 70/30 &#8220;white&#8221;/&#8221;non-white.&#8221; My Tuscaloosa Co. Alabama high school was about 50/50 white/black and there was a lot of racially divided cliques.</p>
<p>The graduate program I was in had (and still has) a lot of foreign students. After American, Chinese is probably the most common nationality. Many of the Chinese student didn&#8217;t socialize much with the American or other students and this, I believe, was because of poor English. Only one or two joined the department softball team while I was there and one student, who was very outgoing to begin with, made an effort to speak to the American students to improve his English. I don&#8217;t blame them, I would hang out with other English speakers if I was in a non-English speaking country.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beaucage:

&quot;Dislikeing queers is not a phobia as most think, it’s a choice&quot;

Indeed, it&#039;s your choice to be a bigot, Beaucage.

That said, I don&#039;t suspect it&#039;s a choice that&#039;s going to get you much traction here, and inasmuch as you&#039;ve indicated that you choose not to consort with teh ghez, since there are quite a few of them who comment here (not to mention the bisexual and the folks who just generally classify themselves as flexible), you might be better off moving along. Because they&#039;re queer, they&#039;re here and they&#039;re unlikely to go away, and your staying here will require a level of tolerance you&#039;ve already indicated you don&#039;t have. So, off with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beaucage:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dislikeing queers is not a phobia as most think, it’s a choice&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, it&#8217;s your choice to be a bigot, Beaucage.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#8217;t suspect it&#8217;s a choice that&#8217;s going to get you much traction here, and inasmuch as you&#8217;ve indicated that you choose not to consort with teh ghez, since there are quite a few of them who comment here (not to mention the bisexual and the folks who just generally classify themselves as flexible), you might be better off moving along. Because they&#8217;re queer, they&#8217;re here and they&#8217;re unlikely to go away, and your staying here will require a level of tolerance you&#8217;ve already indicated you don&#8217;t have. So, off with you.</p>
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