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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone can be made poor, and quickly, by a sufficiently bad run of luck, unusual circumstances, etc.

The problem with talking about &quot;the poor&quot; is that they are viewed as an undifferentiated mass.  They are not.

There are the poor who didn&#039;t used to be.  Mostly, they won&#039;t be poor for that long, but occasionally circumstances are so severe that it will take awhile, if ever.

There are the poor who come from a background of poverty, but are doing things that will help them get out of it.  They, also, won&#039;t be poor for long, again barring unforeseen circumstances.

There are the poor who are on the wrong end of a multigenerational pattern of poverty.  The children in this group deserve our compassion.  The adults in this group deserve to feel whatever shame is involved in recognizing their own contributions to the situation, and their own PERSONAL responsibility to do something about it, even if only for their children&#039;s sake.

If you finish high school, don&#039;t make babies till you&#039;re married, stay married, stay out of jail, and don&#039;t get addicted, you will not stay poor for long in the USA, unless you simply refuse to try.  For sure, your *children* won&#039;t be poor, if they stay with the pattern of decent behavior you&#039;ve established.

Multigenerational poverty *in the USA* is mostly a values problem, transmitted from generation to generation.  Nothing will fix it except attention to those values just listed in the previous paragraph.  When someone is bleeding internally, you start an IV, maybe transfuse, but you  do what you must to stop the bleeding.  Virtually all government based solutions are largely of the bandaid/transfusion variety because they do not address values.

We need to be willing to &quot;provide transfusions&quot; as long as it takes for the people who really have no way of taking care of themselves, the mentally ill and disabled, etc.    And helping people who have fallen on hard times, temporarily, is only being a decent neighbor.

But when poverty activists fail to differentiate the causes of poverty for different populations claiming services, fail to acknowledge the need for personal responsibility in alleviating poverty, and advocate programs that co-dependently help poor people stay poor, the rest of us are justified in looking askance.

As always, the children suffer.  The solution is not to hand money to the poeple who put them in the situation, and who keep them there, and who train those same children to do it again to the next generation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone can be made poor, and quickly, by a sufficiently bad run of luck, unusual circumstances, etc.</p>
<p>The problem with talking about &#8220;the poor&#8221; is that they are viewed as an undifferentiated mass.  They are not.</p>
<p>There are the poor who didn&#8217;t used to be.  Mostly, they won&#8217;t be poor for that long, but occasionally circumstances are so severe that it will take awhile, if ever.</p>
<p>There are the poor who come from a background of poverty, but are doing things that will help them get out of it.  They, also, won&#8217;t be poor for long, again barring unforeseen circumstances.</p>
<p>There are the poor who are on the wrong end of a multigenerational pattern of poverty.  The children in this group deserve our compassion.  The adults in this group deserve to feel whatever shame is involved in recognizing their own contributions to the situation, and their own PERSONAL responsibility to do something about it, even if only for their children&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>If you finish high school, don&#8217;t make babies till you&#8217;re married, stay married, stay out of jail, and don&#8217;t get addicted, you will not stay poor for long in the USA, unless you simply refuse to try.  For sure, your *children* won&#8217;t be poor, if they stay with the pattern of decent behavior you&#8217;ve established.</p>
<p>Multigenerational poverty *in the USA* is mostly a values problem, transmitted from generation to generation.  Nothing will fix it except attention to those values just listed in the previous paragraph.  When someone is bleeding internally, you start an IV, maybe transfuse, but you  do what you must to stop the bleeding.  Virtually all government based solutions are largely of the bandaid/transfusion variety because they do not address values.</p>
<p>We need to be willing to &#8220;provide transfusions&#8221; as long as it takes for the people who really have no way of taking care of themselves, the mentally ill and disabled, etc.    And helping people who have fallen on hard times, temporarily, is only being a decent neighbor.</p>
<p>But when poverty activists fail to differentiate the causes of poverty for different populations claiming services, fail to acknowledge the need for personal responsibility in alleviating poverty, and advocate programs that co-dependently help poor people stay poor, the rest of us are justified in looking askance.</p>
<p>As always, the children suffer.  The solution is not to hand money to the poeple who put them in the situation, and who keep them there, and who train those same children to do it again to the next generation.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy.. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars. Transfered FROM US TO THEM. Over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They will never settle for a reasonable share of ANYTHING. They will do whatever it takes to get even richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductable crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any &#039;humanitarian&#039; progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. So don’t fall for all of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductable contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. WAKE UP PEOPLE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Prozac, Zanex, Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, couch potatoe, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause.. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t believe one optimistic word from any public figure about the economy or humanity in general. They are all part of the problem. Its like a game of Monopoly. In America, the richest 1% now hold 1/2 OF ALL UNITED STATES WEALTH. Unlike ‘lesser’ estimates, this includes all stocks, bonds, cash, and material assets held by America’s richest 1%. Even that filthy pig Oprah acknowledged that it was at about 50% in 2006. Naturally, she put her own ‘humanitarian’ spin on it. Calling attention to her own ‘good will’. WHAT A DISGUSTING HYPOCRITE SLOB. THE RICHEST 1% HAVE LITERALLY MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. Don’t fall for any of their ‘humanitarian’ CRAP. ITS A SHAM. THESE PEOPLE ARE CAUSING THE SAME PROBLEMS THEY PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT. Ask any professor of economics. Money does not grow on trees. The government can’t just print up more on a whim. At any given time, there is a relative limit to the wealth within ANY economy of ANY size. So when too much wealth accumulates at the top, the middle class slip further into debt and the lower class further into poverty. A similar rule applies worldwide. The world’s richest 1% now own over 40% of ALL WORLD WEALTH. This is EVEN AFTER you account for all of this ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS from celebrities and executives. ITS A SHAM. As they get richer and richer, less wealth is left circulating beneath them. This is the single greatest underlying cause for the current US recession. The middle class can no longer afford to sustain their share of the economy.. Their wealth has been gradually transfered to the richest 1%. One way or another, we suffer because of their incredible greed. We are talking about TRILLIONS of dollars. Transfered FROM US TO THEM. Over a period of about 27 years. Thats Reaganomics for you. The wealth does not ‘trickle down’ as we were told it would. It just accumulates at the top. Shrinking the middle class and expanding the lower class. Causing a domino effect of socio-economic problems. But the rich will never stop. They will never settle for a reasonable share of ANYTHING. They will do whatever it takes to get even richer. Leaving even less of the pie for the other 99% of us to share. At the same time, they throw back a few tax deductable crumbs and call themselves ‘humanitarians’. Cashing in on the PR and getting even richer the following year. IT CAN’T WORK THIS WAY. Their bogus efforts to make the world a better place can not possibly succeed. Any &#8216;humanitarian&#8217; progress made in one area will be lost in another. EVERY SINGLE TIME. IT ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT WORK THIS WAY. This is going to end just like a game of Monopoly. The current US recession will drag on for years and lead into the worst US depression of all time. The richest 1% will live like royalty while the rest of us fight over jobs, food, and gasoline. Crime, poverty, and suicide will skyrocket. So don’t fall for all of this PR CRAP from Hollywood, Pro Sports, and Wall Street PIGS. ITS A SHAM. Remember: They are filthy rich EVEN AFTER their tax deductable contributions. Greedy pigs. Now, we are headed for the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time. SEND A “THANK YOU” NOTE TO YOUR FAVORITE MILLIONAIRE. ITS THEIR FAULT. I’m not discounting other factors like China, sub-prime, or gas prices. But all of those factors combined still pale in comparison to that HUGE transfer of wealth to the rich. Anyway, those other factors are all related and further aggrivated because of GREED. If it weren’t for the OBSCENE distribution of wealth within our country, there never would have been such a market for sub-prime to begin with. Which by the way, was another trick whipped up by greedy bankers and executives. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. The credit industry has been ENDORSED by people like Oprah, Ellen, Dr Phil, and many other celebrities. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. Now, there are commercial ties between nearly every industry and every public figure. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for their ‘good will’ BS. ITS A LIE. If you fall for it, then you’re a fool. If you see any real difference between the moral character of a celebrity, politician, attorney, or executive, then you’re a fool. WAKE UP PEOPLE. ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The 1% club will always say or do whatever it takes to get as rich as possible. Without the slightest regard for anything or anyone but themselves. Reaganomics. Their idea. Loans from China. Their idea. NAFTA. Their idea. Outsourcing. Their idea. Sub-prime. Their idea. The commercial lobbyist. Their idea. The multi-million dollar lawsuit. Their idea. $200 cell phone bills. Their idea. $200 basketball shoes. Their idea. $30 late fees. Their idea. $30 NSF fees. Their idea. $20 DVDs. Their idea. Subliminal advertising. Their idea. Brainwash plots on TV. Their idea. Prozac, Zanex, Vioxx, and Celebrex. Their idea. The MASSIVE campaign to turn every American into a brainwashed, credit card, pharmaceutical, love-sick, couch potatoe, celebrity junkie. Their idea. All of the above shrink the middle class, concentrate the world’s wealth and resources, and wreak havok on society. All of which have been CREATED AND ENDORSED by celebrities, athletes, executives, entrepreneurs, attorneys, and politicians. IT MAKES THEM RICHER. So don’t fall for any of their ‘good will’ ‘humanitarian’ BS. ITS A SHAM. NOTHING BUT TAX DEDUCTABLE PR CRAP. Bottom line: The richest 1% will soon tank the largest economy in the world. It will be like nothing we’ve ever seen before. and thats just the beginning. Greed will eventually tank every major economy in the world. Causing millions to suffer and die. Oprah, Angelina, Brad, Bono, and Bill are not part of the solution. They are part of the problem. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE HUMANITARIAN. EXTREME WEALTH HAS MADE WORLD PROSPERITY ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE. WITHOUT WORLD PROSPERITY, THERE WILL NEVER BE WORLD PEACE OR ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE. GREED KILLS. IT WILL BE OUR DOWNFALL. Of course, the rich will throw a fit and call me a madman. Of course, their ignorant fans will do the same. You have to expect that. But I speak the truth. If you don’t believe me, then copy this entry and run it by any professor of economics or socio-economics. Then tell a friend. Call the local radio station. Re-post this entry or put it in your own words. Be one of the first to predict the worst economic and cultural crisis of all time and explain its cause.. WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.</p>
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		<title>By: My brother's keeper</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points about leaving the concept of &quot;shame&quot; out of it when we help others &amp; Thanks for pointing out that Jesus never used &quot;shame&quot; as part of his teachings - (although the bible often mentions that those who felt the sting of his better example felt ashamed anyway.)

Much of your article seemed to be saying that conservative-types want to heap shame upon those whom they purport to help - and when that is applicable, your point is well made.

Now if only you can get the liberals to stop using &quot;shame&quot; as a tactic to raise even higher taxes for the ineffective welfare systems that the Federal Government has no business running.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points about leaving the concept of &#8220;shame&#8221; out of it when we help others &amp; Thanks for pointing out that Jesus never used &#8220;shame&#8221; as part of his teachings &#8211; (although the bible often mentions that those who felt the sting of his better example felt ashamed anyway.)</p>
<p>Much of your article seemed to be saying that conservative-types want to heap shame upon those whom they purport to help &#8211; and when that is applicable, your point is well made.</p>
<p>Now if only you can get the liberals to stop using &#8220;shame&#8221; as a tactic to raise even higher taxes for the ineffective welfare systems that the Federal Government has no business running.</p>
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