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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/03/12/the-nagging-details-about-1000-true-fans/#comment-284446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One should go for just one or two UBER-ULTRA-MEGA fans, each willing to invest $50,000 or $100,000. Ask one&#039;s self how to offer that valuable of a service to someone wealthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should go for just one or two UBER-ULTRA-MEGA fans, each willing to invest $50,000 or $100,000. Ask one&#8217;s self how to offer that valuable of a service to someone wealthy.</p>
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		<title>By: gigolom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gigolom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good read. I came here as a champion of the 1,000 true fan concept and you raised some very worthwhile points to consider. I agree that Kelly does make it sound as easy as adding one true fan each day – which could happen if you already have access to tens or hundreds of thousands of people daily – but otherwise will require years of consistent effort to attain.

However, I still think this formula is the best thing going and is a much better alternative than hoping and wishing to be in the right place at the right time with the right look and the right song to win the “rock star lottery”. If the concept empowers artists to endeavour to be self sufficient on their own terms then it’s worth it. Will it be easy to do? Heck no. As someone else already suggested WORK is involved while building up a relationship with the fans.

As for putting out enough content to garner $100/year – therein lies the true opportunity. Think beyond the song or the book and wrap your head around some basic internet marketing staples like email marketing and up selling and I think there’s plenty of opportunity for the soul that is brave enough to attempt it.

1,000 true fans may be a moving target – but I still think it’s one worth aiming for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read. I came here as a champion of the 1,000 true fan concept and you raised some very worthwhile points to consider. I agree that Kelly does make it sound as easy as adding one true fan each day – which could happen if you already have access to tens or hundreds of thousands of people daily – but otherwise will require years of consistent effort to attain.</p>
<p>However, I still think this formula is the best thing going and is a much better alternative than hoping and wishing to be in the right place at the right time with the right look and the right song to win the “rock star lottery”. If the concept empowers artists to endeavour to be self sufficient on their own terms then it’s worth it. Will it be easy to do? Heck no. As someone else already suggested WORK is involved while building up a relationship with the fans.</p>
<p>As for putting out enough content to garner $100/year – therein lies the true opportunity. Think beyond the song or the book and wrap your head around some basic internet marketing staples like email marketing and up selling and I think there’s plenty of opportunity for the soul that is brave enough to attempt it.</p>
<p>1,000 true fans may be a moving target – but I still think it’s one worth aiming for.</p>
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		<title>By: jigolo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jigolo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linton Robinson:

You seem to be making the same error that Mr. Kelley did in the original article, which is not to make any distinction between gross and net. Grossing $20k on a book (or a mug or t-shirt or whatever) is not nearly the same thing as netting $20k.

I don’t have any problem with the philosophy of 1,000 true fans, as I’ve noted a number of times in this comment thread. Economically, it’s tougher than Mr. Kelley lets on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linton Robinson:</p>
<p>You seem to be making the same error that Mr. Kelley did in the original article, which is not to make any distinction between gross and net. Grossing $20k on a book (or a mug or t-shirt or whatever) is not nearly the same thing as netting $20k.</p>
<p>I don’t have any problem with the philosophy of 1,000 true fans, as I’ve noted a number of times in this comment thread. Economically, it’s tougher than Mr. Kelley lets on.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Raymonds</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/03/12/the-nagging-details-about-1000-true-fans/#comment-265228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Raymonds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find the author of this article to be very defeatist and full of limiting beliefs. His argument seems to be &quot;Its hard, I can&#039;t find fans like that, I can&#039;t compete, my art isn&#039;t compelling enough to keep them wanting more, and it costs money to make money.&quot;  It seems to have more to do with his beliefs than the feasibility of 1KTF.

From the article:
&lt;cite&gt;1. Gathering a thousand true fans is harder than it looks.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;
Do you think its harder to get 1KTF or hit the NYT Bestseller List? Does this means its impossible? Are you not willing to do hard things to achieve your goal?

&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;2. There aren&#039;t many people willing/able to spend a significant sum of money on a single creative person.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;
4 times a month, Madison Square Garden finds 20,000 people to spend well over $100 on a single artist.  I consider that a lot of people.  

&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;3. You have to compete for true fans.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;
Does that mean you can&#039;t win the competition? Do you not have to compete for normal fans?

&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;4. “True Fans” may not stay true fans.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;
The idea isn&#039;t to collect 1,000 points and then retire in Bermuda for the rest of your life.  You have to keep making art and keep trying to get fans.  1KTF doesn&#039;t say anything about never having to work again for the rest of your life.

&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;5. Just because a “true fan” spends $100 on you doesn’t mean you get $100.&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;cite&gt;
If you&#039;re selling digital products it most certainly does.  

But this is splitting hairs.  He doesn&#039;t literally mean $100, 1000 fans, or $100k salary.  Of course, he means making an average profit of $100 and reality dictates raising your price if there are costs involved.  Does this really negate the concept for you?&lt;/cite&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the author of this article to be very defeatist and full of limiting beliefs. His argument seems to be &#8220;Its hard, I can&#8217;t find fans like that, I can&#8217;t compete, my art isn&#8217;t compelling enough to keep them wanting more, and it costs money to make money.&#8221;  It seems to have more to do with his beliefs than the feasibility of 1KTF.</p>
<p>From the article:<br />
<cite>1. Gathering a thousand true fans is harder than it looks.</cite><cite><br />
Do you think its harder to get 1KTF or hit the NYT Bestseller List? Does this means its impossible? Are you not willing to do hard things to achieve your goal?</p>
<p></cite><cite>2. There aren&#8217;t many people willing/able to spend a significant sum of money on a single creative person.</cite><cite><br />
4 times a month, Madison Square Garden finds 20,000 people to spend well over $100 on a single artist.  I consider that a lot of people.  </p>
<p></cite><cite>3. You have to compete for true fans.</cite><cite><br />
Does that mean you can&#8217;t win the competition? Do you not have to compete for normal fans?</p>
<p></cite><cite>4. “True Fans” may not stay true fans.</cite><cite><br />
The idea isn&#8217;t to collect 1,000 points and then retire in Bermuda for the rest of your life.  You have to keep making art and keep trying to get fans.  1KTF doesn&#8217;t say anything about never having to work again for the rest of your life.</p>
<p></cite><cite>5. Just because a “true fan” spends $100 on you doesn’t mean you get $100.</cite><cite><br />
If you&#8217;re selling digital products it most certainly does.  </p>
<p>But this is splitting hairs.  He doesn&#8217;t literally mean $100, 1000 fans, or $100k salary.  Of course, he means making an average profit of $100 and reality dictates raising your price if there are costs involved.  Does this really negate the concept for you?</cite></p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Scalzi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linton Robinson:

You seem to be making the same error that Mr. Kelley did in the original article, which is not to make any distinction between gross and net. Grossing $20k on a book (or a mug or t-shirt or whatever) is not nearly the same thing as netting $20k. 

I don&#039;t have any problem with the philosophy of 1,000 true fans, as I&#039;ve noted a number of times in this comment thread. Economically, it&#039;s tougher than Mr. Kelley lets on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linton Robinson:</p>
<p>You seem to be making the same error that Mr. Kelley did in the original article, which is not to make any distinction between gross and net. Grossing $20k on a book (or a mug or t-shirt or whatever) is not nearly the same thing as netting $20k. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with the philosophy of 1,000 true fans, as I&#8217;ve noted a number of times in this comment thread. Economically, it&#8217;s tougher than Mr. Kelley lets on.</p>
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		<title>By: Linton Robinson</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/03/12/the-nagging-details-about-1000-true-fans/#comment-234267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linton Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, since there are &quot;lots&quot; of people who spend $20 on their favorites, let&#039;s just go with that.  That&#039;s only one book, really.  Maybe a mug and a T-shirt.

So that&#039;s $20,000 a year.  Tax free if you&#039;re smart and/or devious.  Is that so bad?
That&#039;s like $1600 a month.  Minimum wage, but I&#039;ve lived on less.  Enough to keep you around until you can get a thousand more fans, and make 40K.

The idea here isn&#039;t the math, it&#039;s the approach.  The idea that rather than becoming a global superstar, you just start with yourself and gradually build out until you have a  fanbase that can support you.  (Or, I might add, leverage better deals).  For the growing population of self-publishing, indie authors (and musicians and painter and crafters and what-not) this is kind of the only route available and it&#039;s helpful to see it as something incremental, rather than just floundering around wishing somebody would sign you up and give you a limo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, since there are &#8220;lots&#8221; of people who spend $20 on their favorites, let&#8217;s just go with that.  That&#8217;s only one book, really.  Maybe a mug and a T-shirt.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s $20,000 a year.  Tax free if you&#8217;re smart and/or devious.  Is that so bad?<br />
That&#8217;s like $1600 a month.  Minimum wage, but I&#8217;ve lived on less.  Enough to keep you around until you can get a thousand more fans, and make 40K.</p>
<p>The idea here isn&#8217;t the math, it&#8217;s the approach.  The idea that rather than becoming a global superstar, you just start with yourself and gradually build out until you have a  fanbase that can support you.  (Or, I might add, leverage better deals).  For the growing population of self-publishing, indie authors (and musicians and painter and crafters and what-not) this is kind of the only route available and it&#8217;s helpful to see it as something incremental, rather than just floundering around wishing somebody would sign you up and give you a limo.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike from Indie Band Alliance</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike from Indie Band Alliance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good read. I came here as a champion of the 1,000 true fan concept and you raised some very worthwhile points to consider. I agree that Kelly does make it sound as easy as adding one true fan each day - which could happen if you already have access to tens or hundreds of thousands of people daily - but otherwise will require years of consistent effort to attain.

However, I still think this formula is the best thing going and is a much better alternative than hoping and wishing to be in the right place at the right time with the right look and the right song to win the &quot;rock star lottery&quot;. If the concept empowers artists to endeavour to be self sufficient on their own terms then it&#039;s worth it. Will it be easy to do? Heck no. As someone else already suggested WORK is involved while building up a relationship with the fans.

As for putting out enough content to garner $100/year - therein lies the true opportunity. Think beyond the song or the book and wrap your head around some basic internet marketing staples like email marketing and up selling and I think there&#039;s plenty of opportunity for the soul that is brave enough to attempt it. 

1,000 true fans may be a moving target - but I still think it&#039;s one worth aiming for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read. I came here as a champion of the 1,000 true fan concept and you raised some very worthwhile points to consider. I agree that Kelly does make it sound as easy as adding one true fan each day &#8211; which could happen if you already have access to tens or hundreds of thousands of people daily &#8211; but otherwise will require years of consistent effort to attain.</p>
<p>However, I still think this formula is the best thing going and is a much better alternative than hoping and wishing to be in the right place at the right time with the right look and the right song to win the &#8220;rock star lottery&#8221;. If the concept empowers artists to endeavour to be self sufficient on their own terms then it&#8217;s worth it. Will it be easy to do? Heck no. As someone else already suggested WORK is involved while building up a relationship with the fans.</p>
<p>As for putting out enough content to garner $100/year &#8211; therein lies the true opportunity. Think beyond the song or the book and wrap your head around some basic internet marketing staples like email marketing and up selling and I think there&#8217;s plenty of opportunity for the soul that is brave enough to attempt it. </p>
<p>1,000 true fans may be a moving target &#8211; but I still think it&#8217;s one worth aiming for.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Gagnon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodney Gagnon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great emphasis on getting 1,000 fans is hard and takes a lot of effort.  Effort expended on social media/self-promition comes at the expense of producing enough content for your fans.  I&#039;m thinking some coopetition must come into play to make the business model scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great emphasis on getting 1,000 fans is hard and takes a lot of effort.  Effort expended on social media/self-promition comes at the expense of producing enough content for your fans.  I&#8217;m thinking some coopetition must come into play to make the business model scale.</p>
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		<title>By: neworleansmusicman</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/03/12/the-nagging-details-about-1000-true-fans/#comment-174422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neworleansmusicman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Artists have to keep touring to keep obtaining new $100 fans as they lose others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artists have to keep touring to keep obtaining new $100 fans as they lose others.</p>
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		<title>By: brian botkiller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brian botkiller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite what you say here, I&#039;m sorry - it is still the right way to go.  1,000 true fans isn&#039;t just saying that you hit 1,000 and that&#039;s good - the point of it is to make a goal and reach it - after you do that, you see it climb from there.  

I realize that you want to pick it apart and point out all the ways it can&#039;t work, would be too hard, etc. - but I have to say that that does nothing but set you back.  Put aside your issues with the idea and just go forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite what you say here, I&#8217;m sorry &#8211; it is still the right way to go.  1,000 true fans isn&#8217;t just saying that you hit 1,000 and that&#8217;s good &#8211; the point of it is to make a goal and reach it &#8211; after you do that, you see it climb from there.  </p>
<p>I realize that you want to pick it apart and point out all the ways it can&#8217;t work, would be too hard, etc. &#8211; but I have to say that that does nothing but set you back.  Put aside your issues with the idea and just go forward.</p>
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