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	<title>Comments on: Reader Request Week 2008 #7: Fame or Lack Thereof</title>
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		<title>By: Uncle Mikey</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/04/01/reader-request-week-2008-7-fame-or-lack-thereof/#comment-22668</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just where are these famous young women with perky breasts but no hair?&quot;

Below the belt, I&#039;m guessing.</description>
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<p>Below the belt, I&#8217;m guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Laika's Last Woof</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/04/01/reader-request-week-2008-7-fame-or-lack-thereof/#comment-22666</link>
		<dc:creator>Laika's Last Woof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever mistaken you for rock drummer Neil Peart?</description>
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		<title>By: epobirs</title>
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		<dc:creator>epobirs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be fair, it should be recalled that early in his career and before having kids, Orson Scott Card had a fabulous rack.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin R.C. O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/04/01/reader-request-week-2008-7-fame-or-lack-thereof/#comment-22653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin R.C. O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I owned an FBO, which is essentially a service-station for private airplanes and the people who travel in them, I picked up one very high-profile customer (a name you&#039;d all recognize) who travels by NetJets, because the (bigger, slicker) FBO across the way screwed up the Famous One&#039;s single special request: to be left the hell alone.  He was asked for an autograph, which he gave graciously; then he told his pilots &quot;we&#039;re never coming back here again.&quot; Bing! I had a customer. I treated his pilots like kings and left him the hell alone. He didn&#039;t tip but I was happy to fuel the Citation X at a profit of about a dollar a gallon.

Unfortunately I went out of business, leaving the autograph-seeker alone in business on the field. When the Famous One comes to Boston now, he does not fly into that airport, but to another one, which is less convenient to his destination, but which treats him as he&#039;d like to be treated, as a private person.

It must be hard. He has the kind of fame that gets its teeth in you and does not let go, thanks to commercial success that began in his youth and continues today. I recall an interview with another such famous cat, Paul McCartney, wherein he grew wistful about things he can&#039;t do, like ride a bus. The poor guy can&#039;t even have a marriage blow up in private.

I encountered a very famous actor at the first US Grand Prix at Indianapolis. I started to say, &quot;Hey, I know you...&quot; and he got &quot;that look&quot; (you know, &quot;oh, no, a fan!&quot;) and then said, &quot;you&#039;re a helicopter pilot!&quot; (He actually is, as a hobby). He laughed and said, &quot;Busted, yeah... thanks,&quot; and we went our separate ways.

Who you recognize is a function of where you are, once you get past the thousand or so inescapably famous faces. I&#039;m one of those guys who probably wouldn&#039;t recognize Scalzi or ESR in the &quot;wrong&quot; setting, and I wouldn&#039;t recognize Wil Wheaton at all (which I hope pleases him. I have no idea who he is, sad to say, even after looking at his blog).

I myself have been a &quot;big frog in a small pond&quot; in that my byline and face were ubiquitous in trade news (aviation) for over six years. Even now, I can fly into any airfield in the world in complete anonymity, unless there is an airshow going on, in which case I&#039;ll probably get &quot;made&quot; and tagged by autograph hunters. Unlike the Famous One in my story, it doesn&#039;t bother me -- it&#039;s only a shock once -- although it&#039;s very weird to see my name in an autograph book alongside names that are justly famous for actual accomplishments, not mere media exposure. Writing is strange in that it is a profession that can raise your profile into at least suborbital fame, without a concomitant rise in your income.

PS -- I would second the recommendation posted above, to read Fry&#039;s essay. It&#039;s good and deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I owned an FBO, which is essentially a service-station for private airplanes and the people who travel in them, I picked up one very high-profile customer (a name you&#8217;d all recognize) who travels by NetJets, because the (bigger, slicker) FBO across the way screwed up the Famous One&#8217;s single special request: to be left the hell alone.  He was asked for an autograph, which he gave graciously; then he told his pilots &#8220;we&#8217;re never coming back here again.&#8221; Bing! I had a customer. I treated his pilots like kings and left him the hell alone. He didn&#8217;t tip but I was happy to fuel the Citation X at a profit of about a dollar a gallon.</p>
<p>Unfortunately I went out of business, leaving the autograph-seeker alone in business on the field. When the Famous One comes to Boston now, he does not fly into that airport, but to another one, which is less convenient to his destination, but which treats him as he&#8217;d like to be treated, as a private person.</p>
<p>It must be hard. He has the kind of fame that gets its teeth in you and does not let go, thanks to commercial success that began in his youth and continues today. I recall an interview with another such famous cat, Paul McCartney, wherein he grew wistful about things he can&#8217;t do, like ride a bus. The poor guy can&#8217;t even have a marriage blow up in private.</p>
<p>I encountered a very famous actor at the first US Grand Prix at Indianapolis. I started to say, &#8220;Hey, I know you&#8230;&#8221; and he got &#8220;that look&#8221; (you know, &#8220;oh, no, a fan!&#8221;) and then said, &#8220;you&#8217;re a helicopter pilot!&#8221; (He actually is, as a hobby). He laughed and said, &#8220;Busted, yeah&#8230; thanks,&#8221; and we went our separate ways.</p>
<p>Who you recognize is a function of where you are, once you get past the thousand or so inescapably famous faces. I&#8217;m one of those guys who probably wouldn&#8217;t recognize Scalzi or ESR in the &#8220;wrong&#8221; setting, and I wouldn&#8217;t recognize Wil Wheaton at all (which I hope pleases him. I have no idea who he is, sad to say, even after looking at his blog).</p>
<p>I myself have been a &#8220;big frog in a small pond&#8221; in that my byline and face were ubiquitous in trade news (aviation) for over six years. Even now, I can fly into any airfield in the world in complete anonymity, unless there is an airshow going on, in which case I&#8217;ll probably get &#8220;made&#8221; and tagged by autograph hunters. Unlike the Famous One in my story, it doesn&#8217;t bother me &#8212; it&#8217;s only a shock once &#8212; although it&#8217;s very weird to see my name in an autograph book alongside names that are justly famous for actual accomplishments, not mere media exposure. Writing is strange in that it is a profession that can raise your profile into at least suborbital fame, without a concomitant rise in your income.</p>
<p>PS &#8212; I would second the recommendation posted above, to read Fry&#8217;s essay. It&#8217;s good and deep.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huff</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>::chuckles at BladeDoc::

Yeah, but the &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt; sighting went like this:

::notices &lt;i&gt;hot&lt;/i&gt; chick walking arm-in-arm with goofy looking guy::

::says to self:: &quot;How is it that guys who&#039;re much goofier looking than me get such hot babes ?&quot;

::couple passes by, then says to self:: &quot;Oh. That&#039;s how. The goofy looking guy was Lyle Lovett.&quot; ;)</description>
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<p>Yeah, but the <i>first</i> sighting went like this:</p>
<p>::notices <i>hot</i> chick walking arm-in-arm with goofy looking guy::</p>
<p>::says to self:: &#8220;How is it that guys who&#8217;re much goofier looking than me get such hot babes ?&#8221;</p>
<p>::couple passes by, then says to self:: &#8220;Oh. That&#8217;s how. The goofy looking guy was Lyle Lovett.&#8221; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: BladeDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>BladeDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, recognizing Lyle Lovett in public is not evidence of perspicacity but only of the absence of uncorrectable blindness. It is akin to announcing that you too noticed the solar eclipse yesterday :-)

And John, my wife&#039;s a plastic surgeon. We could rectify the whole &quot;perky breast&quot; problem in a day. Betcha be more famous then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, recognizing Lyle Lovett in public is not evidence of perspicacity but only of the absence of uncorrectable blindness. It is akin to announcing that you too noticed the solar eclipse yesterday :-)</p>
<p>And John, my wife&#8217;s a plastic surgeon. We could rectify the whole &#8220;perky breast&#8221; problem in a day. Betcha be more famous then!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Treacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Treacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Gibbons once said something similar about his relative fame. He was being interviewed outside the San Diego Comic Con, and he said something about how &quot;in there&quot; he was treated like a star, but then he could come outside and have a smoke and relax with nobody bothering him. Best of both worlds.

(And if you have to ask, &quot;Who&#039;s Dave Gibbons?&quot;, that&#039;s exactly his point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Gibbons once said something similar about his relative fame. He was being interviewed outside the San Diego Comic Con, and he said something about how &#8220;in there&#8221; he was treated like a star, but then he could come outside and have a smoke and relax with nobody bothering him. Best of both worlds.</p>
<p>(And if you have to ask, &#8220;Who&#8217;s Dave Gibbons?&#8221;, that&#8217;s exactly his point.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken McCracken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken McCracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;all the really famous people these days started being famous in their early twenties, when they still had hair and/or perky breasts&quot;

Wait a minute  . . .

Just where are these famous young women with perky breasts but no hair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;all the really famous people these days started being famous in their early twenties, when they still had hair and/or perky breasts&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a minute  . . .</p>
<p>Just where are these famous young women with perky breasts but no hair?</p>
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		<title>By: BillyBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revel in your fame! Through the books (including the Old Man&#039;s War trilogy) I sent to my daughter, an Ensign in the U.S. Navy, I made you famous on the USS Denver during their deployment in the Gulf last summer/fall. Your books were circulated from hand to hand and eventually became confetti when the 400 book-starved marines of the 13th M.E.U. got on board for the leisurely month long trip back to San Diego. I suspect you are HUGE at Camp Pendleton and your series runs just behind Gates of Fire in popularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revel in your fame! Through the books (including the Old Man&#8217;s War trilogy) I sent to my daughter, an Ensign in the U.S. Navy, I made you famous on the USS Denver during their deployment in the Gulf last summer/fall. Your books were circulated from hand to hand and eventually became confetti when the 400 book-starved marines of the 13th M.E.U. got on board for the leisurely month long trip back to San Diego. I suspect you are HUGE at Camp Pendleton and your series runs just behind Gates of Fire in popularity.</p>
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		<title>By: George in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>George in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the &quot;Big Four&quot; John mentioned, I too think I *might* recognize Stephen King out of context &amp; certainly not the other three.  In fact, I worked at a bookstore from 1990- 1992, Anne Rice did a booksigning there &amp; I *didn&#039;t* recognize her when she came to the back room &amp; asked me where the bathroom was (found out after I exited the back room that she was Rice).  So ,Mickey Mantle, yes; Anne Rice, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the &#8220;Big Four&#8221; John mentioned, I too think I *might* recognize Stephen King out of context &amp; certainly not the other three.  In fact, I worked at a bookstore from 1990- 1992, Anne Rice did a booksigning there &amp; I *didn&#8217;t* recognize her when she came to the back room &amp; asked me where the bathroom was (found out after I exited the back room that she was Rice).  So ,Mickey Mantle, yes; Anne Rice, no.</p>
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