I don’t read your blog so I cannot comment on that person.

As for people not remembering this beyond 2 weeks, it’s still getting a lot of play today, a week after it hit. I think this is going to be one for the ages.

novapsyche, for a perspective from someone who actually wore a green button: “…if I’d read theferrett’s post about OSBP before someone offered me the pin, I would have turned it down.”

There’s one.

Another person who was there commented in the comments on my blog, too.

It’s a reflection of what you interpret others as saying.

Maygra, I was giving more direct words to the passive aggressive comments people have been putting out there. I use those words because that is how people are making this sound. There is nothing at all interesting about my description – it is a reflection of what others are saying.

Well, it’s even worse than it appears, sadly, as other has poked around more, with theferret’s other livejournal posts:

Like in http://theferrett.livejournal.com/535109.html where he says

“Unfortunately, I can’t decry the process of “asking repeatedly,” mainly because it’s the only stimuli a lot of women respond to. Frankly, I think any woman who has to be begged fifteen times before she eventually accepts should be drug into the back alleyways and beaten, because her rampant need for a string of pleadings trains the wrong sort of men that no doesn’t mean no. And then we should go beat up the men for good measure.”

And just as bad:
http://theferrett.livejournal.com/534169.html

“But these guys aren’t rapists; they’re enthusiasts. You dressed to provoke a certain reaction, and you got that reaction — just not from the guy you were hoping to attract. And yeah, I’m sorry that the guy was enough of a lout to think that waxing rhapsodic over your boobs was sweet talk that would inevitably lead to the boudoir, and I can even get that it’s tiresome fending off the aroused masses… but the idea that he was wrong for approaching you is just stupid.

You went trolling for men. You caught some. Yeah, you have to throw some back, but don’t blame the men for that.”

So, it looks like previous comments about this not appearing in a vacuum were even more spot on than people realized.

About the only thing I’ve decried in this whole fracas is the inability of people to look at the response scale of this thing and actually see that it’s indicative of a larger problem than most people want to acknowledge.

Context is the most important part of this whole thing and you throw it away. That is why you don’t think the reaction is disproportionate, because you refuse to recognize the context.

That’s your choice, but it is what makes you and every single other person decrying this as some sort of misogynistic fantasy groping orgy completely wrong.

Given that I didn’t lump anyone in as “everyone else” I’m not exactly sure what group you think I’m lumping you into, unless it was the group I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to.

Just to be clear, I don’t think the reaction has been disproportionate. I think that seeing this as only an isolated incident is the mistake.

PAT was abused by the group. He said “This is so weird. I’ve never seen anything like that before.” He didn’t say it never happened, but the knee-jerk response of the riled up group, men and women, beat the shit out of him.

Penguincon WAS an isolated incident. So, yes, thank you. The reaction was disproportionate.

I don’t really have to think about how my actions look to others. If anyone has an issue with how I am acting, well, they have only to ask me what I am doing, and I will tell them. They rarely have to, though, because I basically live the way I think we all should, with consideration for others.

So feel free to lump me in with “everyone else”. Just know that you are incorrect to do so.

Maevele@92

That was before the OSBP was a “thing”. That was part of the impetus prior to the event. The girl in blue was also known by the people in the group, just not the ferrett who wrote the piece – and he wasn’t the one who approached her, it was a woman. Also, while he doesn’t make it apparent, there are only a few hundred people at these local cons and most of them ARE known, if not by name by face. There are rarely “strangers” at con, and if there are, they are treated very differently than the regulars. So, no, I really don’t think, based on con culture and the comments of the people involved that completely random people were accosted.