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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warrior:

Nope, your latest attempt was no better. You&#039;re a bit of a loss, I&#039;m afraid.

Since we&#039;ve come to the point where all that&#039;s happening on this thread is a vaguely trollish character trying to get past moderation, I&#039;ll go ahead and close the comments. Warrior, because I&#039;m closing this thread, you&#039;re out of the moderation queue, but do try better on other threads. I don&#039;t want to have to moderate your ass all over my site. If I have to do it too much, I&#039;ll just blacklist you and have done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warrior:</p>
<p>Nope, your latest attempt was no better. You&#8217;re a bit of a loss, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;ve come to the point where all that&#8217;s happening on this thread is a vaguely trollish character trying to get past moderation, I&#8217;ll go ahead and close the comments. Warrior, because I&#8217;m closing this thread, you&#8217;re out of the moderation queue, but do try better on other threads. I don&#8217;t want to have to moderate your ass all over my site. If I have to do it too much, I&#8217;ll just blacklist you and have done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warrior writes, in a post that&#039;s not getting out of moderation:

&quot;You can argue, that I don’t argue well, like the rest of your bloggers do, but none of you have agrued any better than I.&quot;

Well, that&#039;s not true, as I have argued better than you have, for one. You are free to disagree, but inasmuch as your arguments to this point have been filled with implication, assumption, bad facts and hackneyed rhetoric, you&#039;ll understand if I privilege my own estimation above yours.

As an example of your poor arguing skills, I&#039;ll pull another quote out of not-to-be-released-from-moderation post, in which you ask me, apropos to a possible President Obama: &quot;Can you tell me do you want to be taxed more?&quot; The implication being that if Obama becomes president, my taxes will go up.

Well, in fact, under Obama&#039;s proposed tax plan, &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; taxes wouldn&#039;t go up, nor would the taxes of the vast majority of Americans. Indeed, under Obama&#039;s proposed plan, they would go down just a bit. Go me.  So asking me if &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; want to taxed more doesn&#039;t apply; I won&#039;t be. Chances are very good, Warrior, given the general distribution of income here in the US, that &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; wouldn&#039;t be paying more either.

Mind you, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re actually interested in whether I &lt;i&gt;personally&lt;/i&gt; will be paying more in taxes; I suspect you&#039;ve just plopped the statement out there to offer up the implication that taxes for the average person generally will go up under Obama, which in fact they wouldn&#039;t. So either you&#039;re ignorant of Obama&#039;s actual tax plan, in which case you&#039;re arguing poorly (arguing from ignorance is not good arguing), or you know the details of the Obama tax plan, and you&#039;re choosing to dishonestly frame the question, in which case you&#039;re arguing poorly, and you&#039;re being offensive about it, since you&#039;re making the assumption &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t know the details of the plan, i.e., that &lt;i&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/i&gt; ignorant. Which I don&#039;t appreciate.

Beyond that one example, the rest of your entry is likewise filled with the sort of bad logic and unsupported assertions that just compound my opinion that you simply don&#039;t know &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; to argue, and that it&#039;s not worth my time to try to correct each example of your ignorance and/or dishonesty, and your further arguments don&#039;t rate to appear on this site.

So there it is.

However, you are welcome to try again. Allow me to make the following recommendations.

1. Try to focus on the subject at hand, the subject being the one that the original entry was on.

2. Try not to ramble for nearly a thousand words, as you did in the entry I&#039;m not letting out of moderation. If you must ramble on that long, please learn about the subtle joys of paragraphs.

3. I&#039;m generally not a fascist when it comes to correct spelling and grammar in comments, since most of them are written quickly. But come on, sir. If you have the time to write a thousand words, you have time to clean up your writing afterward. Your arguments are poor enough without, as an example, having to have the word &quot;boarders&quot; stand in for &quot;borders.&quot;

Now, I understand you believe that your being in moderation is an example of how I only want like-minded folks here, but if you visit other threads here, you&#039;ll find lots of folks who disagree with me politically have nice, long, complex and interesting discussions with people who disagree with them. It&#039;s not your politics that dropped you in the moderation queue; it&#039;s your inability to argue well combined with your puffed-up misapprehension that my unwillingness to engage your bad arguments somehow meant you were &lt;i&gt;winning&lt;/i&gt;.

Try again. Try better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warrior writes, in a post that&#8217;s not getting out of moderation:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can argue, that I don’t argue well, like the rest of your bloggers do, but none of you have agrued any better than I.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s not true, as I have argued better than you have, for one. You are free to disagree, but inasmuch as your arguments to this point have been filled with implication, assumption, bad facts and hackneyed rhetoric, you&#8217;ll understand if I privilege my own estimation above yours.</p>
<p>As an example of your poor arguing skills, I&#8217;ll pull another quote out of not-to-be-released-from-moderation post, in which you ask me, apropos to a possible President Obama: &#8220;Can you tell me do you want to be taxed more?&#8221; The implication being that if Obama becomes president, my taxes will go up.</p>
<p>Well, in fact, under Obama&#8217;s proposed tax plan, <i>my</i> taxes wouldn&#8217;t go up, nor would the taxes of the vast majority of Americans. Indeed, under Obama&#8217;s proposed plan, they would go down just a bit. Go me.  So asking me if <i>I</i> want to taxed more doesn&#8217;t apply; I won&#8217;t be. Chances are very good, Warrior, given the general distribution of income here in the US, that <i>you</i> wouldn&#8217;t be paying more either.</p>
<p>Mind you, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re actually interested in whether I <i>personally</i> will be paying more in taxes; I suspect you&#8217;ve just plopped the statement out there to offer up the implication that taxes for the average person generally will go up under Obama, which in fact they wouldn&#8217;t. So either you&#8217;re ignorant of Obama&#8217;s actual tax plan, in which case you&#8217;re arguing poorly (arguing from ignorance is not good arguing), or you know the details of the Obama tax plan, and you&#8217;re choosing to dishonestly frame the question, in which case you&#8217;re arguing poorly, and you&#8217;re being offensive about it, since you&#8217;re making the assumption <i>I</i> don&#8217;t know the details of the plan, i.e., that <i>I&#8217;m</i> ignorant. Which I don&#8217;t appreciate.</p>
<p>Beyond that one example, the rest of your entry is likewise filled with the sort of bad logic and unsupported assertions that just compound my opinion that you simply don&#8217;t know <i>how</i> to argue, and that it&#8217;s not worth my time to try to correct each example of your ignorance and/or dishonesty, and your further arguments don&#8217;t rate to appear on this site.</p>
<p>So there it is.</p>
<p>However, you are welcome to try again. Allow me to make the following recommendations.</p>
<p>1. Try to focus on the subject at hand, the subject being the one that the original entry was on.</p>
<p>2. Try not to ramble for nearly a thousand words, as you did in the entry I&#8217;m not letting out of moderation. If you must ramble on that long, please learn about the subtle joys of paragraphs.</p>
<p>3. I&#8217;m generally not a fascist when it comes to correct spelling and grammar in comments, since most of them are written quickly. But come on, sir. If you have the time to write a thousand words, you have time to clean up your writing afterward. Your arguments are poor enough without, as an example, having to have the word &#8220;boarders&#8221; stand in for &#8220;borders.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I understand you believe that your being in moderation is an example of how I only want like-minded folks here, but if you visit other threads here, you&#8217;ll find lots of folks who disagree with me politically have nice, long, complex and interesting discussions with people who disagree with them. It&#8217;s not your politics that dropped you in the moderation queue; it&#8217;s your inability to argue well combined with your puffed-up misapprehension that my unwillingness to engage your bad arguments somehow meant you were <i>winning</i>.</p>
<p>Try again. Try better.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenna:

&quot;Hate to break it to you, but you are racist.&quot;

And a bit of an ass.

That said, Warrior&#039;s in the penalty box at the moment, and won&#039;t be coming out unless/until he writes something I find intellectually acceptable, so addressing questions to him right now is probably a bit of a loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenna:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hate to break it to you, but you are racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>And a bit of an ass.</p>
<p>That said, Warrior&#8217;s in the penalty box at the moment, and won&#8217;t be coming out unless/until he writes something I find intellectually acceptable, so addressing questions to him right now is probably a bit of a loss.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warrior, you claim you&#039;re not racist, and yet you find it acceptable to make racist jokes? Racist jokes about &lt;i&gt;your own wife&lt;/i&gt;?!

Hate to break it to you, but you are racist. Hell, if my boyfriend was privy to  conversation like that and someone made a crack at my ethnicity (or sex, or gender, etc), and he didn&#039;t defend me? He&#039;d consider himself lucky if all he got was an earful from me about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warrior, you claim you&#8217;re not racist, and yet you find it acceptable to make racist jokes? Racist jokes about <i>your own wife</i>?!</p>
<p>Hate to break it to you, but you are racist. Hell, if my boyfriend was privy to  conversation like that and someone made a crack at my ethnicity (or sex, or gender, etc), and he didn&#8217;t defend me? He&#8217;d consider himself lucky if all he got was an earful from me about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@319 &lt;i&gt;Yo, race is a social construct, remember? What you be talking about?&lt;/i&gt;

So is finance. And we have WHOLE NEWSPAPERS about it. University degrees even.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@319 <i>Yo, race is a social construct, remember? What you be talking about?</i></p>
<p>So is finance. And we have WHOLE NEWSPAPERS about it. University degrees even.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pointed Warrior to Baen&#039;s Bar because as I said in my post he echoes what a lot of the regular high volume posters say over there.

There are people over asking if Barack really is a US citizen. It has since been definitively answered that he is, but that doesn&#039;t stop them from fervently wishing that the &#039;Obamination&#039; that is somehow proven that he is not.

One poster even started a thread that since he thinks Obama is virtually certain to win the White House and that the &#039;Demoncrats&#039; will have significant gains in both House and Senate, that they will a) raise taxes, b) nationalize healthcare, c) implement serious restrictions on gun ownership, etc.

The poster then asks for odds on how long it would take for there to be enough of a groundswell that open rebellion would break out and a new civil war will take place. (Beyond the initial post I did not read the thread.)

Maybe on Baen&#039;s Bar he can find some people who will be impressed with him as you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pointed Warrior to Baen&#8217;s Bar because as I said in my post he echoes what a lot of the regular high volume posters say over there.</p>
<p>There are people over asking if Barack really is a US citizen. It has since been definitively answered that he is, but that doesn&#8217;t stop them from fervently wishing that the &#8216;Obamination&#8217; that is somehow proven that he is not.</p>
<p>One poster even started a thread that since he thinks Obama is virtually certain to win the White House and that the &#8216;Demoncrats&#8217; will have significant gains in both House and Senate, that they will a) raise taxes, b) nationalize healthcare, c) implement serious restrictions on gun ownership, etc.</p>
<p>The poster then asks for odds on how long it would take for there to be enough of a groundswell that open rebellion would break out and a new civil war will take place. (Beyond the initial post I did not read the thread.)</p>
<p>Maybe on Baen&#8217;s Bar he can find some people who will be impressed with him as you said.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Warrior:&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;But who did you vote for?&quot;

Last election, I voted for a mix of each. Lately I&#039;ve trended more toward Democrats, but lots of people could say that, which is part of the problem the GOP has these days.

As for nerve-hitting: Not really. You argue poorly, read off a conservative talk radio check list, insult people like you&#039;re Newt Gingrich&#039;s mentally-challenged younger brother and make more than the number of typos that can be chalked up to random error. You don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;rate&lt;/i&gt; access to my nerves. You don&#039;t think or write well enough for that. My major concerns with you are that you don&#039;t offend my other guests and that you don&#039;t post multiple sequential comments.

Now, I understand you&#039;re very impressed with yourself, and that&#039;s fine; good for you. But you should know this is does not oblige me to feel the same.

But I&#039;ll tell you what, Warrior. Since you seem to feel that you rate some special access to my attention, I&#039;ll offer you this challenge. I&#039;ve just stuck you into my moderation queue. Your challenge is to write something I actually think is worth responding to, on the merits of its argument. If you do, I&#039;ll let it out. If you don&#039;t, I won&#039;t. As extra incentive, each time you attempt to post and I find your argument wanting, I&#039;ll remove one of your previous posts. I&#039;ll start on the ones I&#039;ve found most egregiously stupid and spiral out from there. Since apparently you know how to get on my nerves, you should know how &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;to do it, too.

So, go on, Warrior: &lt;em&gt;Impress &lt;/em&gt;me.

&lt;b&gt;Patrick V:&lt;/b&gt;

Why would you wish this dude on Baen&#039;s Bar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Warrior:</b></p>
<p>&#8220;But who did you vote for?&#8221;</p>
<p>Last election, I voted for a mix of each. Lately I&#8217;ve trended more toward Democrats, but lots of people could say that, which is part of the problem the GOP has these days.</p>
<p>As for nerve-hitting: Not really. You argue poorly, read off a conservative talk radio check list, insult people like you&#8217;re Newt Gingrich&#8217;s mentally-challenged younger brother and make more than the number of typos that can be chalked up to random error. You don&#8217;t <i>rate</i> access to my nerves. You don&#8217;t think or write well enough for that. My major concerns with you are that you don&#8217;t offend my other guests and that you don&#8217;t post multiple sequential comments.</p>
<p>Now, I understand you&#8217;re very impressed with yourself, and that&#8217;s fine; good for you. But you should know this is does not oblige me to feel the same.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll tell you what, Warrior. Since you seem to feel that you rate some special access to my attention, I&#8217;ll offer you this challenge. I&#8217;ve just stuck you into my moderation queue. Your challenge is to write something I actually think is worth responding to, on the merits of its argument. If you do, I&#8217;ll let it out. If you don&#8217;t, I won&#8217;t. As extra incentive, each time you attempt to post and I find your argument wanting, I&#8217;ll remove one of your previous posts. I&#8217;ll start on the ones I&#8217;ve found most egregiously stupid and spiral out from there. Since apparently you know how to get on my nerves, you should know how <em>not </em>to do it, too.</p>
<p>So, go on, Warrior: <em>Impress </em>me.</p>
<p><b>Patrick V:</b></p>
<p>Why would you wish this dude on Baen&#8217;s Bar?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warrior, I would suggest you head over to Baen&#039;s Bar where you will find lots of people who hold the same opinion that you do over the stuff that you have railed about here.

You can sign up for the Bar at http://bar.baen.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warrior, I would suggest you head over to Baen&#8217;s Bar where you will find lots of people who hold the same opinion that you do over the stuff that you have railed about here.</p>
<p>You can sign up for the Bar at <a href="http://bar.baen.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bar.baen.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Scalzi,    &quot; I’m not a Democrat, for one thing registered independent &quot; But who did you vote for? I&#039;d say it was a Democrat by how you take offense so easy, and by your reply&#039;s. You argue like a Lib also, calling names,  I guess because I hit a nerve, or annoyed you so. Anyone that would vote for a Republican would support me, so you must be brand X. Or is it brand RED. I have voted both ways, but haven&#039;t found a Dem worth voting for, for along time, and after seeing the NEW breed, I probably will never vote Dem again, unless you can find another JFK. Just your big penis. See, I&#039;m polite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Scalzi,    &#8221; I’m not a Democrat, for one thing registered independent &#8221; But who did you vote for? I&#8217;d say it was a Democrat by how you take offense so easy, and by your reply&#8217;s. You argue like a Lib also, calling names,  I guess because I hit a nerve, or annoyed you so. Anyone that would vote for a Republican would support me, so you must be brand X. Or is it brand RED. I have voted both ways, but haven&#8217;t found a Dem worth voting for, for along time, and after seeing the NEW breed, I probably will never vote Dem again, unless you can find another JFK. Just your big penis. See, I&#8217;m polite.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mac, Why are you still going on about blacks, and swimming, and race.&lt;/i&gt;

Because I disagree with what you said about blacks, swimming, race, and about Corby Kennard.  I thought that was clear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mac, Why are you still going on about blacks, and swimming, and race.</i></p>
<p>Because I disagree with what you said about blacks, swimming, race, and about Corby Kennard.  I thought that was clear?</p>
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