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		<title>By: Hankel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hankel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good ?dea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good ?dea</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and is therefore expressing herself stupidly&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;bitter about Clinton&#039;s loss&quot; and &quot;completely clueless and borderline racist&quot; are far from mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and is therefore expressing herself stupidly</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;bitter about Clinton&#8217;s loss&#8221; and &#8220;completely clueless and borderline racist&#8221; are far from mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mycroft W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mycroft W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought that it was &quot;hands dirty&quot; = working class; &quot;work for money&quot; = middle class; &quot;my money makes money&quot; = upper class.

That means that you can &quot;work&quot; at managing your money to make money, or work as head of your own business (the new family lands) - as long as it&#039;s the right kind of business and has been in the family for 100 years.

I think you&#039;re also allowed to be upper class if you&#039;re a younger son and work in the Designated Professions - Law, Church, Politics, or Military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought that it was &#8220;hands dirty&#8221; = working class; &#8220;work for money&#8221; = middle class; &#8220;my money makes money&#8221; = upper class.</p>
<p>That means that you can &#8220;work&#8221; at managing your money to make money, or work as head of your own business (the new family lands) &#8211; as long as it&#8217;s the right kind of business and has been in the family for 100 years.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re also allowed to be upper class if you&#8217;re a younger son and work in the Designated Professions &#8211; Law, Church, Politics, or Military.</p>
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		<title>By: claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s interesting that some commenters here equated rothschild&#039;s &quot;elitist&quot; with &quot;uppity.&quot; i don&#039;t entirely agree, but that&#039;s far more thoughtful than what john had to offer in his post.

no one has posted any evidence whatsoever that rothschild is racist, but there&#039;s plenty of evidence that she&#039;s a disgruntled clinton supporter who&#039;s still upset that obama won and clinton didn&#039;t ... and is therefore expressing herself stupidly.

it&#039;s interesting because this entire post and thread are essentially about politics, and not about hypocrisy or morality, or any of those hifalutin&#039; things you all have been claiming. it&#039;s pretty damn clear that rothschild&#039;s comments wouldn&#039;t be objectionable in the least down &quot;whatever&quot; way if she had aimed them elsewhere.

this is about YOUR candidate being attacked, people, not about whether or not rothschild uses the title &quot;lady&quot; when sending invitations to people in the united states, fer fucks sake.

she was silly for making such a pointless comment, but she at least has a reason: her candidate lost. YOUR candidate won, so you&#039;re even sillier, and have no excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s interesting that some commenters here equated rothschild&#8217;s &#8220;elitist&#8221; with &#8220;uppity.&#8221; i don&#8217;t entirely agree, but that&#8217;s far more thoughtful than what john had to offer in his post.</p>
<p>no one has posted any evidence whatsoever that rothschild is racist, but there&#8217;s plenty of evidence that she&#8217;s a disgruntled clinton supporter who&#8217;s still upset that obama won and clinton didn&#8217;t &#8230; and is therefore expressing herself stupidly.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s interesting because this entire post and thread are essentially about politics, and not about hypocrisy or morality, or any of those hifalutin&#8217; things you all have been claiming. it&#8217;s pretty damn clear that rothschild&#8217;s comments wouldn&#8217;t be objectionable in the least down &#8220;whatever&#8221; way if she had aimed them elsewhere.</p>
<p>this is about YOUR candidate being attacked, people, not about whether or not rothschild uses the title &#8220;lady&#8221; when sending invitations to people in the united states, fer fucks sake.</p>
<p>she was silly for making such a pointless comment, but she at least has a reason: her candidate lost. YOUR candidate won, so you&#8217;re even sillier, and have no excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things going on here is the disconnect between the British and American Class Systems. One &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be a fashionable London hostess and &lt;i&gt;use&lt;/i&gt;* a title without being elitist, although the burden of proof would be on the person doing so.  Using that same title in America would be silly.  Without researching it, she might use the title Lady in the UK, and not in the US, but the internet, knowing no borders, will reveal both.

Harry Connolly @15 &lt;i&gt;A local NPR call-in show asked people whether they consider themselves middle class. Almost everyone did, including the woman who (along with her husband) made over a quarter million dollars a year.&lt;/i&gt;

In theory if you &lt;i&gt;make&lt;/i&gt; money, that is, earn it by working, you&#039;re not really upper class in the UK. This has actually never been true and continues to change, but the class divisions are:  If you get your hands dirty, you&#039;re working class; if you work in an office you&#039;re middle class; if you call into the office a couple of times a month and spend most of your time pootling around your estate, you&#039;re upper class.

* Not entirely on topic, a relative of mine was awarded a CBE and had no problem using it to try and (metaphorically) bludgeon her way past overly officious civil servants; similarly in other circumstances she might use her degree from Cambridge to open doors.  If you&#039;d ever met her (assuming it wasn&#039;t while she was acting as a magistrate) I doubt you&#039;d have thought she was elitist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things going on here is the disconnect between the British and American Class Systems. One <i>might</i> be a fashionable London hostess and <i>use</i>* a title without being elitist, although the burden of proof would be on the person doing so.  Using that same title in America would be silly.  Without researching it, she might use the title Lady in the UK, and not in the US, but the internet, knowing no borders, will reveal both.</p>
<p>Harry Connolly @15 <i>A local NPR call-in show asked people whether they consider themselves middle class. Almost everyone did, including the woman who (along with her husband) made over a quarter million dollars a year.</i></p>
<p>In theory if you <i>make</i> money, that is, earn it by working, you&#8217;re not really upper class in the UK. This has actually never been true and continues to change, but the class divisions are:  If you get your hands dirty, you&#8217;re working class; if you work in an office you&#8217;re middle class; if you call into the office a couple of times a month and spend most of your time pootling around your estate, you&#8217;re upper class.</p>
<p>* Not entirely on topic, a relative of mine was awarded a CBE and had no problem using it to try and (metaphorically) bludgeon her way past overly officious civil servants; similarly in other circumstances she might use her degree from Cambridge to open doors.  If you&#8217;d ever met her (assuming it wasn&#8217;t while she was acting as a magistrate) I doubt you&#8217;d have thought she was elitist.</p>
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		<title>By: theDAWG</title>
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		<dc:creator>theDAWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are being too rough on the Rothschilds. They recently sold their Faberge Egg for a mere $18.5M.

When you&#039;ve got to pawn your bling, you know you&#039;re hurting.

Also, Sir Evelyn is a college dropout. That&#039;s kinda street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are being too rough on the Rothschilds. They recently sold their Faberge Egg for a mere $18.5M.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve got to pawn your bling, you know you&#8217;re hurting.</p>
<p>Also, Sir Evelyn is a college dropout. That&#8217;s kinda street.</p>
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		<title>By: cirby</title>
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		<dc:creator>cirby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Espana Sheriff:
&quot;It’s just code for ‘uppity’ and everyone knows it.&quot;

...and &#039;code&#039; really means &quot;I want to call someone a bigot to preempt the discussion, but they didn&#039;t actually say anything bigoted.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espana Sheriff:<br />
&#8220;It’s just code for ‘uppity’ and everyone knows it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and &#8216;code&#8217; really means &#8220;I want to call someone a bigot to preempt the discussion, but they didn&#8217;t actually say anything bigoted.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Thena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@73

I think you nailed it, Roxie.</description>
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<p>I think you nailed it, Roxie.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just that he&#039;s &quot;uppity&quot;.

He&#039;s an Uppity &lt;i&gt;Negro&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just that he&#8217;s &#8220;uppity&#8221;.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s an Uppity <i>Negro</i></p>
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		<title>By: Thena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pish, it&#039;s one of those irregular (NAm) English adjectives:

&lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; am correct,&lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; are arrogant, &lt;em&gt;he/she/they&lt;/em&gt; is/is/are elitist.

*extricates tongue from cheek with crowbar*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pish, it&#8217;s one of those irregular (NAm) English adjectives:</p>
<p><em>I</em> am correct,<em>you</em> are arrogant, <em>he/she/they</em> is/is/are elitist.</p>
<p>*extricates tongue from cheek with crowbar*</p>
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