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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41213</link>
		<dc:creator>John Scalzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A question arises about the business model for freebies which is–who pays? ultimately. Will they continue to pay to keep the freebies up and available? Or will the $$$ run out and sites be taken down? Then what?&quot;

The very same questions apply to markets that hope people pay for the work as well. Magazines with purchase prices on them run out of money as well, go under as well, and disappear as well.

Personally speaking I am supremely unworried if the sites hosting my stories go down, since I own the copyrights to my work. I&#039;ll just sell them again. That said, Macmillin has a lot of money; I expect Tor.Com will be around for a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A question arises about the business model for freebies which is–who pays? ultimately. Will they continue to pay to keep the freebies up and available? Or will the $$$ run out and sites be taken down? Then what?&#8221;</p>
<p>The very same questions apply to markets that hope people pay for the work as well. Magazines with purchase prices on them run out of money as well, go under as well, and disappear as well.</p>
<p>Personally speaking I am supremely unworried if the sites hosting my stories go down, since I own the copyrights to my work. I&#8217;ll just sell them again. That said, Macmillin has a lot of money; I expect Tor.Com will be around for a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: MetadataMistress</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41212</link>
		<dc:creator>MetadataMistress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS:  I’m interested in people reading the story.

MM:  I love short stories too, and hope to read yours RSN. (Too much work right now don&#039;cha&#039;know).

A question arises about the business model for freebies which is--who pays? ultimately.  Will they continue to pay to keep the freebies up and available?  Or will the $$$ run out and sites be taken down?  Then what?

At least with the print mags (and books too), there is something tangible there on your shelf, on the shelves at some libraries, used bookstores, and so forth, for when the original source site vanishes into the aether.

Just a thought.

MM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS:  I’m interested in people reading the story.</p>
<p>MM:  I love short stories too, and hope to read yours RSN. (Too much work right now don&#8217;cha&#8217;know).</p>
<p>A question arises about the business model for freebies which is&#8211;who pays? ultimately.  Will they continue to pay to keep the freebies up and available?  Or will the $$$ run out and sites be taken down?  Then what?</p>
<p>At least with the print mags (and books too), there is something tangible there on your shelf, on the shelves at some libraries, used bookstores, and so forth, for when the original source site vanishes into the aether.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>MM</p>
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		<title>By: punkrockhockeymom</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41208</link>
		<dc:creator>punkrockhockeymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for clarity:

It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t read them for philosophical reasons, it&#039;s that I subscribe to them for philosophical reasons despite the fact that I currently don&#039;t have time to read them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for clarity:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t read them for philosophical reasons, it&#8217;s that I subscribe to them for philosophical reasons despite the fact that I currently don&#8217;t have time to read them.</p>
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		<title>By: punkrockhockeymom</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41207</link>
		<dc:creator>punkrockhockeymom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the discussion about hits versus subscribers, and how a hit might not be a reader, leads me to point this out:

I am a very loyal subscriber to S&amp;SF and Asimov&#039;s.  I wouldn&#039;t stop subscribing unless the editors gave me a very good reason (say, for example, publishing hate-filled screeds against civil rights for whole segments of the population?).  I like short fiction, and I can afford the rates, and I don&#039;t want to see the market die out.  I read short fiction in libraries and by borrowing copies for years, and always vowed that when I could afford it I&#039;d subscribe.

That said, F&amp;SF comes to my house consistently, abundantly, interminably!!!  The issues pile up.  They sit on the shelf.  They sit in the kitchen.  I think there is at least one issue in every room of my house!  But my to-read pile would stretch across the house if I laid the books and magazines end to end, maybe across the yard!  So...I think I&#039;ve read, on average, 2 stories per F&amp;SF delivered to my door in the last year.  I mean, at some point I&#039;ll be traveling or hospitalized and I&#039;ll probably catch up.  Someday.

My only point is, not all of those sold magazines equate to a read story, either.   I can&#039;t be the only person who subscribes to magazines she doesn&#039;t always read for philosophical reasons.

(Boy do I know how to make a short story long).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the discussion about hits versus subscribers, and how a hit might not be a reader, leads me to point this out:</p>
<p>I am a very loyal subscriber to S&amp;SF and Asimov&#8217;s.  I wouldn&#8217;t stop subscribing unless the editors gave me a very good reason (say, for example, publishing hate-filled screeds against civil rights for whole segments of the population?).  I like short fiction, and I can afford the rates, and I don&#8217;t want to see the market die out.  I read short fiction in libraries and by borrowing copies for years, and always vowed that when I could afford it I&#8217;d subscribe.</p>
<p>That said, F&amp;SF comes to my house consistently, abundantly, interminably!!!  The issues pile up.  They sit on the shelf.  They sit in the kitchen.  I think there is at least one issue in every room of my house!  But my to-read pile would stretch across the house if I laid the books and magazines end to end, maybe across the yard!  So&#8230;I think I&#8217;ve read, on average, 2 stories per F&amp;SF delivered to my door in the last year.  I mean, at some point I&#8217;ll be traveling or hospitalized and I&#8217;ll probably catch up.  Someday.</p>
<p>My only point is, not all of those sold magazines equate to a read story, either.   I can&#8217;t be the only person who subscribes to magazines she doesn&#8217;t always read for philosophical reasons.</p>
<p>(Boy do I know how to make a short story long).</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Van Gelder</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41211</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Van Gelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, he is the slush god.</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick M.</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41210</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon, it seems rather cruel, yet funny, to tape toilet paper to the heels of your assitant editor&#039;s shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon, it seems rather cruel, yet funny, to tape toilet paper to the heels of your assitant editor&#8217;s shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Van Gelder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Van Gelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John---

Thanks for the quick answer.

I disagree that you&#039;re comparing eyeballs to eyeballs.  You&#039;re comparing hits to circulation numbers.  And the fact that one is free and the other is paid seems to me to be relevant.

But I certainly take your point that posting your story on Tor&#039;s site has gotten it a good audience in a short period of time.  Good on you and on Tor, sez I.  I particularly salute Tor for recognizing the virtues of the approach that Subterranean and Clarkesworld use for publishing short fiction.

I wish we could discuss this subject at Denvention, but I have to skip Worldcon this year.  Do me a favor and check over JJA at the cocktail party before the Hugos.  Let him know if he has toilet paper stuck to the heel of his shoe.

---Gordon V.G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8212;</p>
<p>Thanks for the quick answer.</p>
<p>I disagree that you&#8217;re comparing eyeballs to eyeballs.  You&#8217;re comparing hits to circulation numbers.  And the fact that one is free and the other is paid seems to me to be relevant.</p>
<p>But I certainly take your point that posting your story on Tor&#8217;s site has gotten it a good audience in a short period of time.  Good on you and on Tor, sez I.  I particularly salute Tor for recognizing the virtues of the approach that Subterranean and Clarkesworld use for publishing short fiction.</p>
<p>I wish we could discuss this subject at Denvention, but I have to skip Worldcon this year.  Do me a favor and check over JJA at the cocktail party before the Hugos.  Let him know if he has toilet paper stuck to the heel of his shoe.</p>
<p>&#8212;Gordon V.G.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bales</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41206</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Bales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this &quot;gack&quot; you speak of?  Is it similar to &quot;ganking&quot; something, as in &quot;I ganked the orange juice from his &#039;fridge.&quot;

JAB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this &#8220;gack&#8221; you speak of?  Is it similar to &#8220;ganking&#8221; something, as in &#8220;I ganked the orange juice from his &#8216;fridge.&#8221;</p>
<p>JAB</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/03/after-the-coup-numbers/#comment-41205</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38, Martin: On the other hand, it &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; isn&#039;t that easy to get that kind of attention attention from e.g. bloggers if they can&#039;t link to something they, and their readers, can access for free on the net.

//JJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38, Martin: On the other hand, it <i>really</i> isn&#8217;t that easy to get that kind of attention attention from e.g. bloggers if they can&#8217;t link to something they, and their readers, can access for free on the net.</p>
<p>//JJ</p>
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		<title>By: JWD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JWD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;comparing hits to subscriber numbers is a squirrels to tangelos sort of comparison&quot;

I love that line so much!</description>
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<p>I love that line so much!</p>
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