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		<title>By: ton</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-176086</link>
		<dc:creator>ton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m one of those who didn’t read any of the free versions but I did read John’s blog for a while before I bought OMW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m one of those who didn’t read any of the free versions but I did read John’s blog for a while before I bought OMW</p>
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		<title>By: rr</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43346</link>
		<dc:creator>rr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the editors of an online fiction magazine I would love to be able to pay our writers, but since we make zero dollars off our site we have zero to dish out. Hopefully any exposure our writers get from their stories translates into financial success elsewhere. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a sin for writers to want to get paid, but I also don&#039;t see a problem with working for free if it&#039;s for a publication they believe in, as long as someone else isn&#039;t making money off them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the editors of an online fiction magazine I would love to be able to pay our writers, but since we make zero dollars off our site we have zero to dish out. Hopefully any exposure our writers get from their stories translates into financial success elsewhere. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a sin for writers to want to get paid, but I also don&#8217;t see a problem with working for free if it&#8217;s for a publication they believe in, as long as someone else isn&#8217;t making money off them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bara</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43345</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, how in the HELL did you make $4,000 from &quot;shareware-ing&quot; &quot;Agent to the Stars&quot;?  Did you post the whole book at once?  Chapters?  PayPal on every page? Syndication?

I&#039;d love to know the mechanics of the process...

db</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, how in the HELL did you make $4,000 from &#8220;shareware-ing&#8221; &#8220;Agent to the Stars&#8221;?  Did you post the whole book at once?  Chapters?  PayPal on every page? Syndication?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know the mechanics of the process&#8230;</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: Basil Sands</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43344</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Sands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  One which I agree with whole heartedly.  I write action thrillers (think Forsythe, Clancy, et al) but have not been picked up to publish through traditional media yet.  As I was querying my first novel I wanted to start building an audience.  Rather than offering the story as free pdfs I found www.podiobooks.com and decided to podcast the serialized version of my novel.  It worked.  I did the same with the second novel and got an even bigger audience.  Then followed suit with a short story series and now am in studio with my third novel.

And it paid too, via donations to paypal.  At this point, while still unpublished via paper, I have made enough in donations to pay for nearly a six month supply of gasoline.  Which says a lot...I drive an F250.

Not bad for something given away free by an unknown author who lives in Alaska.

Basil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  One which I agree with whole heartedly.  I write action thrillers (think Forsythe, Clancy, et al) but have not been picked up to publish through traditional media yet.  As I was querying my first novel I wanted to start building an audience.  Rather than offering the story as free pdfs I found <a href="http://www.podiobooks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.podiobooks.com</a> and decided to podcast the serialized version of my novel.  It worked.  I did the same with the second novel and got an even bigger audience.  Then followed suit with a short story series and now am in studio with my third novel.</p>
<p>And it paid too, via donations to paypal.  At this point, while still unpublished via paper, I have made enough in donations to pay for nearly a six month supply of gasoline.  Which says a lot&#8230;I drive an F250.</p>
<p>Not bad for something given away free by an unknown author who lives in Alaska.</p>
<p>Basil</p>
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		<title>By: JDC</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43340</link>
		<dc:creator>JDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. I took directing snark at me as &quot;pointless&quot; (and rude) not the notion of checking the library.

Had you written &quot;Have you tried the library?&quot; I would have simply related my sob story about the 1 SF book (which is true!). While I would (hopefully) never tell you what you &quot;should&quot; write on your own blog, you don&#039;t get to decide &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; I should react to your communications to me.

I couldn&#039;t (and still can&#039;t) see any reason for you to be snarky to me unless I inadvertently pushed a button of yours in my first comment in the thread (if so, I apologise; I certainly had no intent to do so). If someone writes something on their blog that I think is stupid or &lt;a href=&quot;http://xkcd.com/386/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wrong&lt;/a&gt;, I simply ignore it. There&#039;s a hell of a lot of internet out there. Move on! But if someone addresses me in a manner I consider inappropriate, I&#039;m more likely to respond.

At root, this is probably all down to vagaries of perception, limitations of text, and faux intimacies of online fora. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s the first time that&#039;s ever happened. While I have no qualms (outside the hearing ranges of my mother-in-law and nephews) about profanity and think I escalated rather than initiated hostilities, your concern for my psychological well being is appreciated. I wish you well in the 999s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. I took directing snark at me as &#8220;pointless&#8221; (and rude) not the notion of checking the library.</p>
<p>Had you written &#8220;Have you tried the library?&#8221; I would have simply related my sob story about the 1 SF book (which is true!). While I would (hopefully) never tell you what you &#8220;should&#8221; write on your own blog, you don&#8217;t get to decide <i>how</i> I should react to your communications to me.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t (and still can&#8217;t) see any reason for you to be snarky to me unless I inadvertently pushed a button of yours in my first comment in the thread (if so, I apologise; I certainly had no intent to do so). If someone writes something on their blog that I think is stupid or <a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" rel="nofollow">wrong</a>, I simply ignore it. There&#8217;s a hell of a lot of internet out there. Move on! But if someone addresses me in a manner I consider inappropriate, I&#8217;m more likely to respond.</p>
<p>At root, this is probably all down to vagaries of perception, limitations of text, and faux intimacies of online fora. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s the first time that&#8217;s ever happened. While I have no qualms (outside the hearing ranges of my mother-in-law and nephews) about profanity and think I escalated rather than initiated hostilities, your concern for my psychological well being is appreciated. I wish you well in the 999s.</p>
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		<title>By: John McFetridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>John McFetridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, thanks.

Only time will tell, of course, but what may be going on now is a stepping-stone to a new attitude and we&#039;ll see where it leads. Right now the &#039;free samples&#039; take us straight to Amazon or a bookstore. I hope that remains the case, but everything seems to be changing, so you never know (it looks like Amazon would rather sell used books - or really, just handle the transaction between buyer and used book dealer)...

The idea of a Medici-like patronage system (or, as we have here in Canada, a government-grant supported system - which I mostly like) may render the reader a little too unimportant in the whole process - right now the only influence on what gets produced is by buying some and not others and I&#039;d hate to lose that tiny bit of influence. I hope the new Medicis make good choices.

But, of course, like almost all writers these days I give away short fiction online in the hopes it leads readers to my novels (crime, not SF)

It&#039;s early days, yet....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, thanks.</p>
<p>Only time will tell, of course, but what may be going on now is a stepping-stone to a new attitude and we&#8217;ll see where it leads. Right now the &#8216;free samples&#8217; take us straight to Amazon or a bookstore. I hope that remains the case, but everything seems to be changing, so you never know (it looks like Amazon would rather sell used books &#8211; or really, just handle the transaction between buyer and used book dealer)&#8230;</p>
<p>The idea of a Medici-like patronage system (or, as we have here in Canada, a government-grant supported system &#8211; which I mostly like) may render the reader a little too unimportant in the whole process &#8211; right now the only influence on what gets produced is by buying some and not others and I&#8217;d hate to lose that tiny bit of influence. I hope the new Medicis make good choices.</p>
<p>But, of course, like almost all writers these days I give away short fiction online in the hopes it leads readers to my novels (crime, not SF)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s early days, yet&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: not_scottbot</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43343</link>
		<dc:creator>not_scottbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[deleted for not_scottbot trying to score snark points off a friend of mine in a manner which I find tiresome, boorish and utterly unrelated to the discussion at hand. Not_scottbot, feel free to be an asshole on this matter somewhere that&#039;s not my site. And you lose further commenting privileges on this thread. Try a flyby snark like this again and you&#039;re going to find yourself dropped into the moderation queue -- JS]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[deleted for not_scottbot trying to score snark points off a friend of mine in a manner which I find tiresome, boorish and utterly unrelated to the discussion at hand. Not_scottbot, feel free to be an asshole on this matter somewhere that's not my site. And you lose further commenting privileges on this thread. Try a flyby snark like this again and you're going to find yourself dropped into the moderation queue -- JS]</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43342</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I find that a lot of people, particularly those whose heads are mostly stuffed inside the Internet, forget that there are these repositories of books (and other media) known as libraries, and occasionally need to be reminded that a) they exist, b) often have the books one wishes to read, &lt;/i&gt;

There are a lot of authors whose books I &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; read via the library - Harry Turtledove, Dean Koontz, and M.C. Beaton, for example, who are so damn prolific I&#039;d go broke if I bought them all.  When I was a lad, a paperback was $1 (yeah, I&#039;m old), and something in me rebels at paying $7.50 for a paperback.

More importantly, I enjoy their books but don&#039;t really wanna own them forever.  Too bad I can&#039;t convince my wife to quit buying those !@*&amp;#^ Nora Robbs...

Anyway, reading JDC&#039;s post convinces me that we have an excellent local library, and I have thus far taken it for granted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I find that a lot of people, particularly those whose heads are mostly stuffed inside the Internet, forget that there are these repositories of books (and other media) known as libraries, and occasionally need to be reminded that a) they exist, b) often have the books one wishes to read, </i></p>
<p>There are a lot of authors whose books I <b>only</b> read via the library &#8211; Harry Turtledove, Dean Koontz, and M.C. Beaton, for example, who are so damn prolific I&#8217;d go broke if I bought them all.  When I was a lad, a paperback was $1 (yeah, I&#8217;m old), and something in me rebels at paying $7.50 for a paperback.</p>
<p>More importantly, I enjoy their books but don&#8217;t really wanna own them forever.  Too bad I can&#8217;t convince my wife to quit buying those !@*&amp;#^ Nora Robbs&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, reading JDC&#8217;s post convinces me that we have an excellent local library, and I have thus far taken it for granted!</p>
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		<title>By: FrancisT</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/08/25/on-writing-for-free/#comment-43339</link>
		<dc:creator>FrancisT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as our host goes this comment is probably (like the library one for others) repetition of something he already knows.

However it seems to me that the free to read != author unpaid issue is something that Eric Flint has addressed in part in his various &quot;salvoes against big brother&quot; columns at &lt;a href=&quot;http://baens-universe.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jim Baen&#039;s Universe&lt;/a&gt;.

He coined a concept of &lt;a href=&quot;http://baens-universe.com/articles/salvos8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spillage&lt;/a&gt; to describe the fact that almost every successful sale involves the salesperson / company giving away test-drives, demos, trial periods, free samples etc. before closing the sale and that (duh) not every freebie given away results in a sale.

The transferal of that concept into books and particularly ebooks means that readers can expect to read a non-trivial chunk of an author&#039;s work for free before they have to pay for it. However, as you note, for a smart publisher and successful author that doesn&#039;t mean that the author won&#039;t be paid because the publisher can expect to receive money from people who enjoyed the freebie and want more.

[I know you don&#039;t want to get sidetracked on to Tor&#039;s ebook strategy but the complaints from many of us (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.di2.nu/200808/21.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;including me&lt;/a&gt;) indicate that Tor did a wonderful job of growing the market for their books/authors and then failed to follow through quickly enough with the right options for new readers to purchase more books and give Tor and its authors money.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as our host goes this comment is probably (like the library one for others) repetition of something he already knows.</p>
<p>However it seems to me that the free to read != author unpaid issue is something that Eric Flint has addressed in part in his various &#8220;salvoes against big brother&#8221; columns at <a href="http://baens-universe.com/" rel="nofollow">Jim Baen&#8217;s Universe</a>.</p>
<p>He coined a concept of <a href="http://baens-universe.com/articles/salvos8" rel="nofollow">spillage</a> to describe the fact that almost every successful sale involves the salesperson / company giving away test-drives, demos, trial periods, free samples etc. before closing the sale and that (duh) not every freebie given away results in a sale.</p>
<p>The transferal of that concept into books and particularly ebooks means that readers can expect to read a non-trivial chunk of an author&#8217;s work for free before they have to pay for it. However, as you note, for a smart publisher and successful author that doesn&#8217;t mean that the author won&#8217;t be paid because the publisher can expect to receive money from people who enjoyed the freebie and want more.</p>
<p>[I know you don't want to get sidetracked on to Tor's ebook strategy but the complaints from many of us (<a href="http://www.di2.nu/200808/21.htm" rel="nofollow">including me</a>) indicate that Tor did a wonderful job of growing the market for their books/authors and then failed to follow through quickly enough with the right options for new readers to purchase more books and give Tor and its authors money.]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John &amp; @Arachne - that&#039;s a good point, although the dude is in the UK and we&#039;re here in the States, so I&#039;m not sure how the legal crossover works (I&#039;m sure if I google it for five minutes I can find out).

We just found out about it a few weeks ago and we&#039;re thinking about doing a few posts on it ourselves first.

Lemons = lemonade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John &amp; @Arachne &#8211; that&#8217;s a good point, although the dude is in the UK and we&#8217;re here in the States, so I&#8217;m not sure how the legal crossover works (I&#8217;m sure if I google it for five minutes I can find out).</p>
<p>We just found out about it a few weeks ago and we&#8217;re thinking about doing a few posts on it ourselves first.</p>
<p>Lemons = lemonade.</p>
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