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		<title>By: StevieB</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45112</link>
		<dc:creator>StevieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@168 Anon. - Hey, I like our host&#039;s view (as I understand it):  political parties have become evil institutions.  Sorry in advance if I misunderstand or misquote you there John!  The highest good for the NATION is for citizens to learn to BE citizens, get educated on issues, and vote their conscience.  I don&#039;t really give a damn about which party has dominance in the election cycle.  And if we&#039;re going to throw rocks about chicanery and election fraud, let&#039;s at least be honest enough to agree that it&#039;s institutional on both sides of the aisle and arguably in all the third-parties that attempt to elect candidates every year.

If you don&#039;t believe we have the rule of law, I suggest you spend some time abroad, especially in places where the governments really DON&#039;T  have the rule of law.  Hyperbole and exaggeration make great copy, but seriously, that&#039;s out in center field (to avoid unfortunate political association).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@168 Anon. &#8211; Hey, I like our host&#8217;s view (as I understand it):  political parties have become evil institutions.  Sorry in advance if I misunderstand or misquote you there John!  The highest good for the NATION is for citizens to learn to BE citizens, get educated on issues, and vote their conscience.  I don&#8217;t really give a damn about which party has dominance in the election cycle.  And if we&#8217;re going to throw rocks about chicanery and election fraud, let&#8217;s at least be honest enough to agree that it&#8217;s institutional on both sides of the aisle and arguably in all the third-parties that attempt to elect candidates every year.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe we have the rule of law, I suggest you spend some time abroad, especially in places where the governments really DON&#8217;T  have the rule of law.  Hyperbole and exaggeration make great copy, but seriously, that&#8217;s out in center field (to avoid unfortunate political association).</p>
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		<title>By: kathy b.</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathy b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where can i purchase the obama as jesus and palin as pontius pilate tee shirts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where can i purchase the obama as jesus and palin as pontius pilate tee shirts?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45110</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StevieB @ 167
The origional phrase wasn&#039;t by John, was funny and was on point.

On &quot;Getting folks to vote is crucial&quot; :

The republican party is on record as saying &#039;the fewer votes cast, the better their chances of winning&#039;.  Having had in the recent past republican operatives go to jail for vote caging and signing worthless pledges not to do it again, we have historicly high levels of caging and pre-election chicanery this time around already.

It takes two sides in agreement to have peaceful and fair elections, it only takes one side to resort to election fraud.  We do not currently have rule of law, we have rule by crooks instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StevieB @ 167<br />
The origional phrase wasn&#8217;t by John, was funny and was on point.</p>
<p>On &#8220;Getting folks to vote is crucial&#8221; :</p>
<p>The republican party is on record as saying &#8216;the fewer votes cast, the better their chances of winning&#8217;.  Having had in the recent past republican operatives go to jail for vote caging and signing worthless pledges not to do it again, we have historicly high levels of caging and pre-election chicanery this time around already.</p>
<p>It takes two sides in agreement to have peaceful and fair elections, it only takes one side to resort to election fraud.  We do not currently have rule of law, we have rule by crooks instead.</p>
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		<title>By: StevieB</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45109</link>
		<dc:creator>StevieB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the party (as usual), but I thought The Great Scalzi&#039;s original post was:

a.  a great turn of phrase;
b.  a wee bit off base theologically;
c.  certainly wrong historically; and
d.  failed to make a point.

Seriously, you&#039;re a great writer who can mix much better metaphors than that.  Besides, if Palin continues her attacks on Obama, all we&#039;re really seeing is a VP candidate acting in a the traditional role pre-election.  Just because she&#039;s been effective doesn&#039;t mean she ought to be belittled.

Nor should Obama be belittled for his service as a &quot;community organizer&quot; as the Republicans have done.  Getting folks to vote is crucial (just one of his roles during that time).  We live in a country where fewer than 30% of voters decide what 100% of the country does, and that&#039;s just wrong.  Obama has served his community, his state, and his country well.  I think that&#039;s what John McCain was saying in his acceptance speech.  The real discussion should be about the quality and length of that service, and the quality of his ideas and ideals in comparison to his opponent.  I just wish we could focus on that rationally instead of barking at each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party (as usual), but I thought The Great Scalzi&#8217;s original post was:</p>
<p>a.  a great turn of phrase;<br />
b.  a wee bit off base theologically;<br />
c.  certainly wrong historically; and<br />
d.  failed to make a point.</p>
<p>Seriously, you&#8217;re a great writer who can mix much better metaphors than that.  Besides, if Palin continues her attacks on Obama, all we&#8217;re really seeing is a VP candidate acting in a the traditional role pre-election.  Just because she&#8217;s been effective doesn&#8217;t mean she ought to be belittled.</p>
<p>Nor should Obama be belittled for his service as a &#8220;community organizer&#8221; as the Republicans have done.  Getting folks to vote is crucial (just one of his roles during that time).  We live in a country where fewer than 30% of voters decide what 100% of the country does, and that&#8217;s just wrong.  Obama has served his community, his state, and his country well.  I think that&#8217;s what John McCain was saying in his acceptance speech.  The real discussion should be about the quality and length of that service, and the quality of his ideas and ideals in comparison to his opponent.  I just wish we could focus on that rationally instead of barking at each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Corby Kennard</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45108</link>
		<dc:creator>Corby Kennard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Austin - If marriage is a religious institution, why don&#039;t they try to pass an amendment stating atheists can&#039;t get married?

If marriage is merely to procreate, why don&#039;t they try to stop old people from getting married?

These are the main objections, other than moral, that people have to gay marriage. Since they are completely bogus, the only one left is moral.

If one thinks it is moral to keep one group from doing something, in this case get married, that they themselves can do, simply because of skin color or sexual orientation, that is called bigotry. If it involves color, it is racism. If it involves age, it is ageism. If it involves the fact that they are gay, it is homophobia or anti-gay bigotry.

It really is no more complex than that.

In other words, you are wrong that people against gay marriage are not anti-gay bigots. They are, and if you oppose gay marriage, so are you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry Austin &#8211; If marriage is a religious institution, why don&#8217;t they try to pass an amendment stating atheists can&#8217;t get married?</p>
<p>If marriage is merely to procreate, why don&#8217;t they try to stop old people from getting married?</p>
<p>These are the main objections, other than moral, that people have to gay marriage. Since they are completely bogus, the only one left is moral.</p>
<p>If one thinks it is moral to keep one group from doing something, in this case get married, that they themselves can do, simply because of skin color or sexual orientation, that is called bigotry. If it involves color, it is racism. If it involves age, it is ageism. If it involves the fact that they are gay, it is homophobia or anti-gay bigotry.</p>
<p>It really is no more complex than that.</p>
<p>In other words, you are wrong that people against gay marriage are not anti-gay bigots. They are, and if you oppose gay marriage, so are you.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Stull</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45075</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Stull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s cool that recently, a Republican State Senator told me that as a social worker, working for a non-profit, I was doing a better job than the government could do in helping the homeless. So put that in your pipe Palin, and smoke it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s cool that recently, a Republican State Senator told me that as a social worker, working for a non-profit, I was doing a better job than the government could do in helping the homeless. So put that in your pipe Palin, and smoke it!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45073</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, didn&#039;t read Lawn&#039;s comment as close as I should have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, didn&#8217;t read Lawn&#8217;s comment as close as I should have.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45072</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Jesus very likely looked like a Hebrew (otherwise known as a Jew), since that is what ethnicity he was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Jesus very likely looked like a Hebrew (otherwise known as a Jew), since that is what ethnicity he was.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawn Wigga</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45084</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawn Wigga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus prolly looked more like Obama than the European he&#039;s usually painted as.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus prolly looked more like Obama than the European he&#8217;s usually painted as.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/09/04/oh-snap/#comment-45107</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a room, guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a room, guys.</p>
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