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	<title>Comments on: And Now A Post Entirely Unrelated to the Election or Proposition 8! Yippee!</title>
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	<description>I FORGET WHAT EIGHT WAS FOR</description>
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		<title>By: Bean</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone else might have said it already, so I apologise for the repetition.

Concrete squares and plazas always look nice in presentations because that&#039;s all you see, rather than all the other concrete blocks and squares and such that surround it.

In Boston, Government Center is rather hideous. It&#039;s also very open.  There is a lot of empty space.  During most seasons it is a blustery no-hiding-from-the-elements area. In the summer it bakes the hairs right off of your head, neck, shoulders, whatever.  

I&#039;m a fan of grass and trees myself. Sure there are more squirrels, but the pigeon poopulation (yes I mean that) isn&#039;t affected one way or the other.  

I think people forget that trees help buffer the weather when they&#039;re kept healthy and happy.  Much like a person in the midst of a cement square. . . they get lonely and dessicated.  It&#039;s depressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else might have said it already, so I apologise for the repetition.</p>
<p>Concrete squares and plazas always look nice in presentations because that&#8217;s all you see, rather than all the other concrete blocks and squares and such that surround it.</p>
<p>In Boston, Government Center is rather hideous. It&#8217;s also very open.  There is a lot of empty space.  During most seasons it is a blustery no-hiding-from-the-elements area. In the summer it bakes the hairs right off of your head, neck, shoulders, whatever.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of grass and trees myself. Sure there are more squirrels, but the pigeon poopulation (yes I mean that) isn&#8217;t affected one way or the other.  </p>
<p>I think people forget that trees help buffer the weather when they&#8217;re kept healthy and happy.  Much like a person in the midst of a cement square. . . they get lonely and dessicated.  It&#8217;s depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: clew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I adapted to the EMP after I heard the description &#039;the Space Needle dropped her dress&#039;. This works particularly well looking across Lake Union. Also, there&#039;s a tiny local in-joke; for decades there was a goofy, amateur, stucco-and-chickenwire building in that neighborhood called the &#039;Blob&#039;. &lt;i&gt;Also&lt;/i&gt;, going through the edge of the EMP on the Monorail and then seeing the amusement park is pleasant. 

The library, on the other hand, is just a terrible building for a library; but Koolhaas wrote extensively about how he was protecting users from specialist knowledge (except his, it seems...) so it&#039;s not like we weren&#039;t warned. The librarians are sloooowly rearranging things so you can effectively find your book, though. 

And, I should say, the two well-lit seating floors are pleasant quiet public squares for Seattle, where daylight can be hard to come by. I can&#039;t see them as any so fancy and avant-garde, because they&#039;re a lot like a corporate cafeteria -- Building 25 at Microsoft, for instance -- but you can sit and watch the rain run down the glass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adapted to the EMP after I heard the description &#8216;the Space Needle dropped her dress&#8217;. This works particularly well looking across Lake Union. Also, there&#8217;s a tiny local in-joke; for decades there was a goofy, amateur, stucco-and-chickenwire building in that neighborhood called the &#8216;Blob&#8217;. <i>Also</i>, going through the edge of the EMP on the Monorail and then seeing the amusement park is pleasant. </p>
<p>The library, on the other hand, is just a terrible building for a library; but Koolhaas wrote extensively about how he was protecting users from specialist knowledge (except his, it seems&#8230;) so it&#8217;s not like we weren&#8217;t warned. The librarians are sloooowly rearranging things so you can effectively find your book, though. </p>
<p>And, I should say, the two well-lit seating floors are pleasant quiet public squares for Seattle, where daylight can be hard to come by. I can&#8217;t see them as any so fancy and avant-garde, because they&#8217;re a lot like a corporate cafeteria &#8212; Building 25 at Microsoft, for instance &#8212; but you can sit and watch the rain run down the glass.</p>
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		<title>By: SeanF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SeanF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because when looking at the drawing the perspective you have is that of God, or of a superior human who can float in a location some twenty, thirty feet above ground; when looking at the same structure in real life you view it from the pitiful, bug-like perspective of the peon you are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because when looking at the drawing the perspective you have is that of God, or of a superior human who can float in a location some twenty, thirty feet above ground; when looking at the same structure in real life you view it from the pitiful, bug-like perspective of the peon you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because in real life, they make us think of a grim future: one where our pets have all died in a plague, a future when we enslaved the Great Apes, who eventually revolted and soon became our masters...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because in real life, they make us think of a grim future: one where our pets have all died in a plague, a future when we enslaved the Great Apes, who eventually revolted and soon became our masters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone else look at that last picture and think &quot;Only imperial Storm Troopers are so precise&quot;.

No? Just me?

Never mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else look at that last picture and think &#8220;Only imperial Storm Troopers are so precise&#8221;.</p>
<p>No? Just me?</p>
<p>Never mind.</p>
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		<title>By: EricH.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EricH.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Way back @ #5 there was mention made of relating architectural designs to a more human scale by way of a gaming environment.

There is actually some work being done to achieve that. It is technically difficult to create an immersive environment (3 dimensional CAD drawings, rear projected room size screens, etc) and that would be what is truly needed to give the corrcect sense of scale. Problem with that is - who wants to pay the (big) money up front for a huge pretty picture when that money needs to be spent on the actual building materials for a building that may or may not be approved?

Eventually the cost will come down and the sense of scale will get better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back @ #5 there was mention made of relating architectural designs to a more human scale by way of a gaming environment.</p>
<p>There is actually some work being done to achieve that. It is technically difficult to create an immersive environment (3 dimensional CAD drawings, rear projected room size screens, etc) and that would be what is truly needed to give the corrcect sense of scale. Problem with that is &#8211; who wants to pay the (big) money up front for a huge pretty picture when that money needs to be spent on the actual building materials for a building that may or may not be approved?</p>
<p>Eventually the cost will come down and the sense of scale will get better.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRadicalModerate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheRadicalModerate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Concrete is either unbearably cold or unbearably hot.  It&#039;s hard.  It echoes unpleasantly.  Your shoes scuff along it, forcing you to understand that it is a thoroughly artificial substance.  And it feels dirty to the touch, even when it&#039;s clean--which it seldom is.  None of these properties show up in the architectural model, or even in a decent simulation.  You have to pour the damn&#039; stuff and let it harden in order to experience its full, depressing awfulness.  And then it&#039;s too late to do anything about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concrete is either unbearably cold or unbearably hot.  It&#8217;s hard.  It echoes unpleasantly.  Your shoes scuff along it, forcing you to understand that it is a thoroughly artificial substance.  And it feels dirty to the touch, even when it&#8217;s clean&#8211;which it seldom is.  None of these properties show up in the architectural model, or even in a decent simulation.  You have to pour the damn&#8217; stuff and let it harden in order to experience its full, depressing awfulness.  And then it&#8217;s too late to do anything about it.</p>
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		<title>By: frenchie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frenchie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I wonder what would happen if you put designs in a gamespace of some nature, where the client had to navigate a tiny human through the proposed building? Might get different results.&quot;

Two words: google sketchup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wonder what would happen if you put designs in a gamespace of some nature, where the client had to navigate a tiny human through the proposed building? Might get different results.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two words: google sketchup.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Wench</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Web Wench]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 03:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because people work in them in real life, and that is depressing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because people work in them in real life, and that is depressing.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRadicalModerate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheRadicalModerate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez, it looks like Imperial Walkers have landed in Kazakhstan.  I say fire the ion cannon and get the evacuation started.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, it looks like Imperial Walkers have landed in Kazakhstan.  I say fire the ion cannon and get the evacuation started.</p>
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