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	<title>Comments on: Doing an Ad Test</title>
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		<title>By: urbzen</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119656</link>
		<dc:creator>urbzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing: Jingles are a valid, and often extremely effective, method of advertising. But they only work for top-of-mind sort of products and if the jingle actually gets you to remember some kind of relevant information. SBZ has clearly failed here, but don&#039;t forget the many others that have succeeded: http://urbzen.com/2008/11/20/five-dollar-footlong-vs-saved-by-zero/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: Jingles are a valid, and often extremely effective, method of advertising. But they only work for top-of-mind sort of products and if the jingle actually gets you to remember some kind of relevant information. SBZ has clearly failed here, but don&#8217;t forget the many others that have succeeded: <a href="http://urbzen.com/2008/11/20/five-dollar-footlong-vs-saved-by-zero/" rel="nofollow">http://urbzen.com/2008/11/20/five-dollar-footlong-vs-saved-by-zero/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Williams</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119406</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the artwork! At least its not not bright yellow and red, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the artwork! At least its not not bright yellow and red, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: --E</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119319</link>
		<dc:creator>--E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed the ad, but didn&#039;t mind it at all. Three reasons:

1. It didn&#039;t flash. I hate flashing ads, and will never, ever, ever buy anything that is advertised that way, even if it guarantees I will look like Cindy Crawford and have a billion dollars magically show up in my bank account.

2. It is site-appropriate. This is a blog that (mostly) talks about writing and the state of the publishing industry, with specific focus on SF. The ad is for a new book by a contemporary SF writer. Other commonalities (your age and EBear&#039;s, your relative prominence and paths of success) make it that much more appropriate. People who read Scalzi may very well enjoy reading EBear.

3. It is low-key. It doesn&#039;t tout the book so much as simply remind the blog-reader that the book is out. That is the proper role of advertising: to remind the consumer that something they may want to know about is available. The hard sell doesn&#039;t work in print advertising; it puts consumers off. This sort of low-key ad is a win/win: people who are interested in EBear&#039;s stuff get a useful reminder, and people who aren&#039;t yet interested get a ping that her books exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed the ad, but didn&#8217;t mind it at all. Three reasons:</p>
<p>1. It didn&#8217;t flash. I hate flashing ads, and will never, ever, ever buy anything that is advertised that way, even if it guarantees I will look like Cindy Crawford and have a billion dollars magically show up in my bank account.</p>
<p>2. It is site-appropriate. This is a blog that (mostly) talks about writing and the state of the publishing industry, with specific focus on SF. The ad is for a new book by a contemporary SF writer. Other commonalities (your age and EBear&#8217;s, your relative prominence and paths of success) make it that much more appropriate. People who read Scalzi may very well enjoy reading EBear.</p>
<p>3. It is low-key. It doesn&#8217;t tout the book so much as simply remind the blog-reader that the book is out. That is the proper role of advertising: to remind the consumer that something they may want to know about is available. The hard sell doesn&#8217;t work in print advertising; it puts consumers off. This sort of low-key ad is a win/win: people who are interested in EBear&#8217;s stuff get a useful reminder, and people who aren&#8217;t yet interested get a ping that her books exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Freivald</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119252</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Freivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think too many people have commented on the fact that they like it because it&#039;s unobtrusive. It shows that they won&#039;t notice your ads enough to make the kind of revenue that you could. Ads obtrude. (Is that a word?) They don&#039;t have to be flashy and distracting -- I hate those as much as anyone else does -- but if your ads don&#039;t get noticed, then they don&#039;t get clicked, and one of your key metrics is going to be cost per click.

I&#039;m not saying that you &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; change the placement, just that &lt;i&gt;if&lt;/i&gt; your goal is revenue generation then you&#039;ve probably chosen a non-optimal placement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think too many people have commented on the fact that they like it because it&#8217;s unobtrusive. It shows that they won&#8217;t notice your ads enough to make the kind of revenue that you could. Ads obtrude. (Is that a word?) They don&#8217;t have to be flashy and distracting &#8212; I hate those as much as anyone else does &#8212; but if your ads don&#8217;t get noticed, then they don&#8217;t get clicked, and one of your key metrics is going to be cost per click.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that you <i>should</i> change the placement, just that <i>if</i> your goal is revenue generation then you&#8217;ve probably chosen a non-optimal placement.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick York</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119251</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the Nikes say: Just do it.  Whatever it takes to keep this going (pun intended).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Nikes say: Just do it.  Whatever it takes to keep this going (pun intended).</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Toscano</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119238</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Toscano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I just didn&#039;t see it.

That is my bad eye, but I think I am just used to seeing ads on the right rail, and my brain didn&#039;t engage with it.

I would have no issue with any ads here.

That book? Gonna read it anyway. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I just didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>That is my bad eye, but I think I am just used to seeing ads on the right rail, and my brain didn&#8217;t engage with it.</p>
<p>I would have no issue with any ads here.</p>
<p>That book? Gonna read it anyway. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: heinleinfan</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119234</link>
		<dc:creator>heinleinfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just chiming in to say &quot;Oh, there&#039;s an ad?  What?  Where?  Does it mention bacon?&quot;

Didn&#039;t even notice it until you pointed it out, as others have mentioned, I think my brain just completely blanks out unobtrusive ads.

Which is good in the sense of &quot;unobtrusive ads on Whatever would not bother me&quot; and bad in the sense of &quot;I would probably not ever be influenced by one&quot; which kind of defeats the purpose of an advertisement.  

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just chiming in to say &#8220;Oh, there&#8217;s an ad?  What?  Where?  Does it mention bacon?&#8221;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t even notice it until you pointed it out, as others have mentioned, I think my brain just completely blanks out unobtrusive ads.</p>
<p>Which is good in the sense of &#8220;unobtrusive ads on Whatever would not bother me&#8221; and bad in the sense of &#8220;I would probably not ever be influenced by one&#8221; which kind of defeats the purpose of an advertisement.  </p>
<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Siah</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119220</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Siah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! There&#039;s an ad. Never noticed it. If you start doing anything that moves or flashes, I will probably start having to read your site in text-only version. It&#039;s a hassle to switch back and forth, so I probably wouldn&#039;t visit as often if that was the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! There&#8217;s an ad. Never noticed it. If you start doing anything that moves or flashes, I will probably start having to read your site in text-only version. It&#8217;s a hassle to switch back and forth, so I probably wouldn&#8217;t visit as often if that was the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Thena</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119212</link>
		<dc:creator>Thena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sidebar ads look fine - I skim them and occasionally click through if they look interesting.

But please for the love of bacon and other holy things, please don&#039;t use animated / flash / javascript / etc advertising that jumps out over the articles, makes noise, or causes obsolete browsers like mine to crash.  I already had to stop reading my local newspaper online because they&#039;ve got some advertiser running the latest, greatest version of something on their front page that gives my old G4 some terrible indigestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sidebar ads look fine &#8211; I skim them and occasionally click through if they look interesting.</p>
<p>But please for the love of bacon and other holy things, please don&#8217;t use animated / flash / javascript / etc advertising that jumps out over the articles, makes noise, or causes obsolete browsers like mine to crash.  I already had to stop reading my local newspaper online because they&#8217;ve got some advertiser running the latest, greatest version of something on their front page that gives my old G4 some terrible indigestion.</p>
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		<title>By: Arachne Jericho</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/16/doing-an-ad-test/#comment-119199</link>
		<dc:creator>Arachne Jericho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the size and the placement. 

For fun, I added some more styling &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spontaneousderivation.com/2008/11/17/thoughts-on-john-scalzis-test-ad-on-whatever/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at the bottom of this otherwise not very useful post&lt;/a&gt;.  

Obviously the image could use work, but I was thinking more about what went around it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the size and the placement. </p>
<p>For fun, I added some more styling <a href="http://www.spontaneousderivation.com/2008/11/17/thoughts-on-john-scalzis-test-ad-on-whatever/" rel="nofollow">at the bottom of this otherwise not very useful post</a>.  </p>
<p>Obviously the image could use work, but I was thinking more about what went around it.</p>
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