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		<title>By: gillian</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/11/17/the-pulps-and-the-electronic-world/#comment-120982</link>
		<dc:creator>gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two months ago I was writing an article about British magazines for Galaxies magazine in France. The decline in circulation of the SF magazines was part of the article. I have been reading lots of articles about the decline. There was much question of the competition between print magazines and the Internet; some complicated financial staff about marketing and also about young people preferring comics, video games,... to SF short stories.
I don&#039;t doubt all this.
I just think that one of the true causes for the decline, are the stories published in SF magazines. They are certainly very well written. Unfortunately, they are not always champions of originality as they keep repeating too much the same subjects. And  jmnlman is not the only one to complain about the fact that the stories are very pessimistic; not really the kind of thing you need to relax and escape your everyday problems. 
I think that the reason why some e-zines are so successful, might be that they publish more original stories (Strange Horizons and FLURB have actually some really excellent stories). 
Also, not all of the print magazines have a problem. Apparently, Albedo One in Ireland seems to do quite well (its stories are original too) and a new British magazine called Murky Depths seems to have lots of success among young people (in MD there are short stories of SF/dark fantasy as well as graphic short stories).
I really think the most important factor for a success of a magazine are the stories.
I apologize for my English. I am sure that there are faults in my text, but English is not my mother language... I did the best I could.
Congratulations to Mr Scalzi for this forum, there are always excellent subjects to discuss and people in the forum are very pleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two months ago I was writing an article about British magazines for Galaxies magazine in France. The decline in circulation of the SF magazines was part of the article. I have been reading lots of articles about the decline. There was much question of the competition between print magazines and the Internet; some complicated financial staff about marketing and also about young people preferring comics, video games,&#8230; to SF short stories.<br />
I don&#8217;t doubt all this.<br />
I just think that one of the true causes for the decline, are the stories published in SF magazines. They are certainly very well written. Unfortunately, they are not always champions of originality as they keep repeating too much the same subjects. And  jmnlman is not the only one to complain about the fact that the stories are very pessimistic; not really the kind of thing you need to relax and escape your everyday problems.<br />
I think that the reason why some e-zines are so successful, might be that they publish more original stories (Strange Horizons and FLURB have actually some really excellent stories).<br />
Also, not all of the print magazines have a problem. Apparently, Albedo One in Ireland seems to do quite well (its stories are original too) and a new British magazine called Murky Depths seems to have lots of success among young people (in MD there are short stories of SF/dark fantasy as well as graphic short stories).<br />
I really think the most important factor for a success of a magazine are the stories.<br />
I apologize for my English. I am sure that there are faults in my text, but English is not my mother language&#8230; I did the best I could.<br />
Congratulations to Mr Scalzi for this forum, there are always excellent subjects to discuss and people in the forum are very pleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>19

Thanks, so ballpark, what would they have sold, half, 1/3?</description>
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<p>Thanks, so ballpark, what would they have sold, half, 1/3?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Chu@27

According to Stan Schmidt at Analog it was a cost issue, and the new version does lose some word count.  My Analog subscription is electronic so I haven&#039;t noticed it, but he was clear on that.

I&#039;m actually more worried about F&amp;SF because it neither has the backing or economies of scale.  (By having all four other mags in one house they can share print costs which should help some - especially since I think they&#039;re now the same trim size as some of the puzzle books).

One thing that might help is if more of us read or subscribed to them.  I recently subscribed to all three - and while Asimovs and F&amp;SF lapsed I&#039;m planning to take F&amp;SF up again and maybe add Interzone.

Just something to support the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Chu@27</p>
<p>According to Stan Schmidt at Analog it was a cost issue, and the new version does lose some word count.  My Analog subscription is electronic so I haven&#8217;t noticed it, but he was clear on that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually more worried about F&amp;SF because it neither has the backing or economies of scale.  (By having all four other mags in one house they can share print costs which should help some &#8211; especially since I think they&#8217;re now the same trim size as some of the puzzle books).</p>
<p>One thing that might help is if more of us read or subscribed to them.  I recently subscribed to all three &#8211; and while Asimovs and F&amp;SF lapsed I&#8217;m planning to take F&amp;SF up again and maybe add Interzone.</p>
<p>Just something to support the market.</p>
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		<title>By: John Chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26: Analog and Asimov&#039;s recently moved to a somewhat larger form factor. Sheila Williams&#039;s editorial stated that the total word count hasn&#039;t changed. I don&#039;t remember if they said one way or the other, but this is surely a cost saving move. (i.e., maybe it&#039;s cheaper to publish fewer, albeit larger pages.)

She also mentioned in her editorial that Analog and Asimov&#039;s were the size they were because they saved money by sharing presses with TV Guide. Of course, those savings went by the way side when TV Guide moved to letter size format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26: Analog and Asimov&#8217;s recently moved to a somewhat larger form factor. Sheila Williams&#8217;s editorial stated that the total word count hasn&#8217;t changed. I don&#8217;t remember if they said one way or the other, but this is surely a cost saving move. (i.e., maybe it&#8217;s cheaper to publish fewer, albeit larger pages.)</p>
<p>She also mentioned in her editorial that Analog and Asimov&#8217;s were the size they were because they saved money by sharing presses with TV Guide. Of course, those savings went by the way side when TV Guide moved to letter size format.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Science Fiction Age; I believe it was related to Realms of Fantasy.  I know the two magazines had a very similar design and trade dress.

Yes it was bright, glossy and colorful.  It was also much harder for me to read than the pulps.  I read it for a while then went back to reading the pulps.  A few months ago I picked up an issue of Realms of Fantasy - big, glossy, color illustrations - the works.

I couldn&#039;t read it.

I&#039;m not talking about the stories, but the presentation killed me. They did things like thin white lettering on a black background for two pages in the middle of a story and I couldn&#039;t make out the words without straining.  Also, the large floppy format made longer pieces of fiction harder to read.

The pulps are a better size and layout for extended reading.

Color&#039;s a definite possibility - but I don&#039;t think they can sustain the increased costs for too long unless it does bring in more customers.

I&#039;m not anti-color (I spend way too much on comics and graphic novels) but I don&#039;t know that glossy and bright is the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Science Fiction Age; I believe it was related to Realms of Fantasy.  I know the two magazines had a very similar design and trade dress.</p>
<p>Yes it was bright, glossy and colorful.  It was also much harder for me to read than the pulps.  I read it for a while then went back to reading the pulps.  A few months ago I picked up an issue of Realms of Fantasy &#8211; big, glossy, color illustrations &#8211; the works.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t read it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about the stories, but the presentation killed me. They did things like thin white lettering on a black background for two pages in the middle of a story and I couldn&#8217;t make out the words without straining.  Also, the large floppy format made longer pieces of fiction harder to read.</p>
<p>The pulps are a better size and layout for extended reading.</p>
<p>Color&#8217;s a definite possibility &#8211; but I don&#8217;t think they can sustain the increased costs for too long unless it does bring in more customers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not anti-color (I spend way too much on comics and graphic novels) but I don&#8217;t know that glossy and bright is the way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Sub-Odeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sub-Odeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Mitchel @ #22,

The last magazine that I remember doing much of what you described, was Science Fiction Age.  Sadly, that market did not live very long, and Scott Edelman is now editor over at Sci-Fi&#039;s &quot;Science Fiction Weekly&quot; on-line news, reviews, &#039;and fun stuff&#039; web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Mitchel @ #22,</p>
<p>The last magazine that I remember doing much of what you described, was Science Fiction Age.  Sadly, that market did not live very long, and Scott Edelman is now editor over at Sci-Fi&#8217;s &#8220;Science Fiction Weekly&#8221; on-line news, reviews, &#8216;and fun stuff&#8217; web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Sub-Odeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sub-Odeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much it costs to produce a single copy of Analog or Asimov&#039;s, as opposed to a single copy of a paperback novel?  How difficult would it be for a publisher like DAW or TOR or BAEN to begin producing quarterly or even bi-monthly &quot;short story paperbacks&quot; that are not &quot;Best of the Year&quot; anthologies, but rather novel-sized-and-shaped short story collections?  Using a standard short story editorial process? (ergo: open slush combined with high-end submissions and by-request pieces from the pros) Use the existing marketing architecture for novels to &quot;flow&quot; such novel-like collections to the Big Brick stores.

Or perhaps I have simply re-invented the theme anthology?

Anyway, I think a lot of the problem is that the people who would read SF&amp;F short material, are never looking for it over in the magazine shelves.  They&#039;re over in the SF&amp;F shelves checking out books from their favorite authors.  If the books publishers did &quot;short story paperbacks&quot; and made sure the names of the big authors were prominent on both cover and spine, and these paperbacks were where the other paperbacks are, I bet the sales would go up.

Whether or not this would actually prove to be a profitable venture, is anyone&#039;s guess.  My hunch is it would have to be a &quot;literary philanthropy&quot; project by the book publishers: neither a huge money maker nor a huge money loser.  Something done for the sake of keeping short fiction alive and healthy, and to also allow a conduit for new writers to break into the field in the traditional model: short fiction sales first, then graduate to novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much it costs to produce a single copy of Analog or Asimov&#8217;s, as opposed to a single copy of a paperback novel?  How difficult would it be for a publisher like DAW or TOR or BAEN to begin producing quarterly or even bi-monthly &#8220;short story paperbacks&#8221; that are not &#8220;Best of the Year&#8221; anthologies, but rather novel-sized-and-shaped short story collections?  Using a standard short story editorial process? (ergo: open slush combined with high-end submissions and by-request pieces from the pros) Use the existing marketing architecture for novels to &#8220;flow&#8221; such novel-like collections to the Big Brick stores.</p>
<p>Or perhaps I have simply re-invented the theme anthology?</p>
<p>Anyway, I think a lot of the problem is that the people who would read SF&amp;F short material, are never looking for it over in the magazine shelves.  They&#8217;re over in the SF&amp;F shelves checking out books from their favorite authors.  If the books publishers did &#8220;short story paperbacks&#8221; and made sure the names of the big authors were prominent on both cover and spine, and these paperbacks were where the other paperbacks are, I bet the sales would go up.</p>
<p>Whether or not this would actually prove to be a profitable venture, is anyone&#8217;s guess.  My hunch is it would have to be a &#8220;literary philanthropy&#8221; project by the book publishers: neither a huge money maker nor a huge money loser.  Something done for the sake of keeping short fiction alive and healthy, and to also allow a conduit for new writers to break into the field in the traditional model: short fiction sales first, then graduate to novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam@#7: Nailed it. The arrival of a new edition of a magazine should feel for me, a 25-year-old, like the arrival of a new manga volume -- reviews everywhere, value-added content inside, contests and discussion and all manner of participation available.

I wrote a 2,100-word story this Saturday. I like to think that it&#039;s complete, and fun, and full of just enough humour, tech, and violence to make me and others happy. But learning how to write something that short has taken me about two years. And looking at things like pulp sales stats, I have to wonder why I worked so hard to learn to write things in a &quot;saleable&quot; format. (My answer would be that I saw something I believed to be quite difficult and set out to achieve it, namely gaining control of my wordcounts.)  

Conversely, online readers actually want longer works. If you check out comments at Tor.com and Futurismic (or even Futurismic&#039;s submission guidelines, which has a fantastically huge wordcount limit), the readers love digging in and savouring a real feast of a story. So it seems like a question of economy: it&#039;s tough to print pulps with multiple authors and long blocks of fiction, because then you&#039;re selling anthologies and not magazines. It seems the only alternative is to emphasize what magazines do best -- re-brand them, not in terms of how similar they are to other formats, but in terms of how unique they are. I&#039;ve been persuaded to purchase manga volumes solely on the basis of a strong review, and I know I&#039;d feel the same regarding magazines too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam@#7: Nailed it. The arrival of a new edition of a magazine should feel for me, a 25-year-old, like the arrival of a new manga volume &#8212; reviews everywhere, value-added content inside, contests and discussion and all manner of participation available.</p>
<p>I wrote a 2,100-word story this Saturday. I like to think that it&#8217;s complete, and fun, and full of just enough humour, tech, and violence to make me and others happy. But learning how to write something that short has taken me about two years. And looking at things like pulp sales stats, I have to wonder why I worked so hard to learn to write things in a &#8220;saleable&#8221; format. (My answer would be that I saw something I believed to be quite difficult and set out to achieve it, namely gaining control of my wordcounts.)  </p>
<p>Conversely, online readers actually want longer works. If you check out comments at Tor.com and Futurismic (or even Futurismic&#8217;s submission guidelines, which has a fantastically huge wordcount limit), the readers love digging in and savouring a real feast of a story. So it seems like a question of economy: it&#8217;s tough to print pulps with multiple authors and long blocks of fiction, because then you&#8217;re selling anthologies and not magazines. It seems the only alternative is to emphasize what magazines do best &#8212; re-brand them, not in terms of how similar they are to other formats, but in terms of how unique they are. I&#8217;ve been persuaded to purchase manga volumes solely on the basis of a strong review, and I know I&#8217;d feel the same regarding magazines too.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonmitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasonmitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like &quot;deadwood&quot;, actually I like hardcovers. (there is difference between an electronic copy of something and actual paper, being able to read on a plane and not worrying about batteries and &#039;turning off electronic devices&#039; etc.

I don&#039;t buy &quot;pulps&quot;. They are relatively expensive, not a particularly pleasant reading experience (quality of paper, printing etc) and content is hit or miss. Short fiction IS something I enjoy, there are plenty of &quot;Year&#039;s Best&quot; etc. collections that I purchase. 

How can SF/F periodicals be more successful? - I can&#039;t speak for the entire market - but when I am looking for a magazine , I expect color illustrations, engaging stories, readable text etc. I come to this blog because John posts on a number of subjects that I find interesting and has a &#039;voice&#039; I find enjoyable/engaging (plus it looks like I&#039;m working) Since I haven&#039;t even looked at a pulp in a while, I&#039;m not sure if they offer this:

1) articles by SF writers and/or other relevant people about topics that relate to SF - but not just about the new releases of books? something like &quot;Climate change and future sci fi settings, climate experts chime in&quot; or &quot;Current research shows how teleporters might work&quot; or &quot;Political messages in classic scifi&quot; 

2) 1st chapters of books not yet released accompanying reviews of said books

3) Short stories by authors I care about set (See  Johns OMW universe story at Subterranean press) 

4) Color illustrations, ink that doesn&#039;t stain my fingers

5) special offers on purchasing books revied in the issue or by featured artists or something - How many $5 magazines would they sell if they included a $5 off coupon to barnes and noble or whatever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;deadwood&#8221;, actually I like hardcovers. (there is difference between an electronic copy of something and actual paper, being able to read on a plane and not worrying about batteries and &#8216;turning off electronic devices&#8217; etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy &#8220;pulps&#8221;. They are relatively expensive, not a particularly pleasant reading experience (quality of paper, printing etc) and content is hit or miss. Short fiction IS something I enjoy, there are plenty of &#8220;Year&#8217;s Best&#8221; etc. collections that I purchase. </p>
<p>How can SF/F periodicals be more successful? &#8211; I can&#8217;t speak for the entire market &#8211; but when I am looking for a magazine , I expect color illustrations, engaging stories, readable text etc. I come to this blog because John posts on a number of subjects that I find interesting and has a &#8216;voice&#8217; I find enjoyable/engaging (plus it looks like I&#8217;m working) Since I haven&#8217;t even looked at a pulp in a while, I&#8217;m not sure if they offer this:</p>
<p>1) articles by SF writers and/or other relevant people about topics that relate to SF &#8211; but not just about the new releases of books? something like &#8220;Climate change and future sci fi settings, climate experts chime in&#8221; or &#8220;Current research shows how teleporters might work&#8221; or &#8220;Political messages in classic scifi&#8221; </p>
<p>2) 1st chapters of books not yet released accompanying reviews of said books</p>
<p>3) Short stories by authors I care about set (See  Johns OMW universe story at Subterranean press) </p>
<p>4) Color illustrations, ink that doesn&#8217;t stain my fingers</p>
<p>5) special offers on purchasing books revied in the issue or by featured artists or something &#8211; How many $5 magazines would they sell if they included a $5 off coupon to barnes and noble or whatever?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article started heading in the right direction of where the magazines need to go.  And John, you nailed it on them being on the defensive and not getting new readers.

My suggestion on getting new readers?  Look at what the readers are watching.  There&#039;s a whole generation of sci-fi and fantasy fans watching *stuff*.  Use that for your new base. The magazine people should talk to the media people.  I think you could do wonders if during off-season the magazines are printing legitimate, licensed shorts (episodic, if you will) of Battlestar G, or Stargate Atlantis, Heroes or hell, even Pushing Up Daisies.. whatever works.  That would open the doors to new readers and writers alike.
IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article started heading in the right direction of where the magazines need to go.  And John, you nailed it on them being on the defensive and not getting new readers.</p>
<p>My suggestion on getting new readers?  Look at what the readers are watching.  There&#8217;s a whole generation of sci-fi and fantasy fans watching *stuff*.  Use that for your new base. The magazine people should talk to the media people.  I think you could do wonders if during off-season the magazines are printing legitimate, licensed shorts (episodic, if you will) of Battlestar G, or Stargate Atlantis, Heroes or hell, even Pushing Up Daisies.. whatever works.  That would open the doors to new readers and writers alike.<br />
IMHO.</p>
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