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		<title>By: Steve Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Moss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Wagner at 68:  I have 5 of the 7 authors you recommend on my shelf.  Assuming the kids go down on time, I intend to start Sanderson&#039;s &quot;Alcatarz and the Scrivener&#039;s Bones&quot; sometime this evening.

I have long ago adopted as my first &quot;hurdle&quot; your recommendation to avoid the urban fantasy dreck that&#039;s out there.  If the cover features a woman holding a sword or gun, dressed in black leather or slinky dress, with either posterior or bussom prominent, I don&#039;t even pick up the novel.  

I&#039;ve added a second hurdle, which is a male model looking protagnist on the front cover.  I sometimes will violate this rule based on word of mouth.  For example, Webmage by McCullough and Levitt&#039;s New Trick were pleasant surprises. 

As to the preachiness, I don&#039;t mix apple and oranges.  I my opinion the para romance problem (accounting for almost half the new F&amp;SF in the shelves recently, if my informal eyeballing of the new releases is any indication) and the political/cultural subtext problems are different issues.  For example, I can handle novels that are hard left, if they are subtle about it.  For example, Morgan&#039;s Altered Carbon was a good book.  I was unsure if the political subtext Morgan was trying to support or preach was libertarian, anarchist or hard left.  And I was happy with that uncertainty.  By contrast, Morgan&#039;s Market Forces was too blatantly anti-capitalist.  I did not care for it.  And I have not read the Steel Remains, largely as Morgan&#039;s interviews seems to delight in insulting readers who wouldn&#039;t normally care for reading a homosexual protaganist&#039;s viewpoint.  And despite my conservative-libertarian bent, I gave up in disgust Frankowski&#039;s Two Space War as it was just too much.

Regardless, I appreciate good writing.  I despise romance, no matter how well written.  I despise pontificating authors, which Morgan is becoming.  I react by not buying their novels.  A simple solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Wagner at 68:  I have 5 of the 7 authors you recommend on my shelf.  Assuming the kids go down on time, I intend to start Sanderson&#8217;s &#8220;Alcatarz and the Scrivener&#8217;s Bones&#8221; sometime this evening.</p>
<p>I have long ago adopted as my first &#8220;hurdle&#8221; your recommendation to avoid the urban fantasy dreck that&#8217;s out there.  If the cover features a woman holding a sword or gun, dressed in black leather or slinky dress, with either posterior or bussom prominent, I don&#8217;t even pick up the novel.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added a second hurdle, which is a male model looking protagnist on the front cover.  I sometimes will violate this rule based on word of mouth.  For example, Webmage by McCullough and Levitt&#8217;s New Trick were pleasant surprises. </p>
<p>As to the preachiness, I don&#8217;t mix apple and oranges.  I my opinion the para romance problem (accounting for almost half the new F&amp;SF in the shelves recently, if my informal eyeballing of the new releases is any indication) and the political/cultural subtext problems are different issues.  For example, I can handle novels that are hard left, if they are subtle about it.  For example, Morgan&#8217;s Altered Carbon was a good book.  I was unsure if the political subtext Morgan was trying to support or preach was libertarian, anarchist or hard left.  And I was happy with that uncertainty.  By contrast, Morgan&#8217;s Market Forces was too blatantly anti-capitalist.  I did not care for it.  And I have not read the Steel Remains, largely as Morgan&#8217;s interviews seems to delight in insulting readers who wouldn&#8217;t normally care for reading a homosexual protaganist&#8217;s viewpoint.  And despite my conservative-libertarian bent, I gave up in disgust Frankowski&#8217;s Two Space War as it was just too much.</p>
<p>Regardless, I appreciate good writing.  I despise romance, no matter how well written.  I despise pontificating authors, which Morgan is becoming.  I react by not buying their novels.  A simple solution.</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Scalzi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jasonmitchell:

You&#039;d have to have them special order the books, but sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jasonmitchell:</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have to have them special order the books, but sure.</p>
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		<title>By: jasonmitchell</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry - yes I know the Jack Vance Reader was more than $25, still a bargain at twice the price]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8211; yes I know the Jack Vance Reader was more than $25, still a bargain at twice the price</p>
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		<title>By: jasonmitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jasonmitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine @ 69 any idea if Sub. Press plans to come out w/ more affordable books? I loved the GRRM &quot;ace double&quot; - I Think many people would buy $20-25 limited edition hardcovers as gifts (I did - my Dad is an avid JacK Vance fan (as am I)) this year is a Subterranean Press christmas!

by the was - John - does your offer to personalize books at your local boookseller include Sub. Press editions of your books?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine @ 69 any idea if Sub. Press plans to come out w/ more affordable books? I loved the GRRM &#8220;ace double&#8221; &#8211; I Think many people would buy $20-25 limited edition hardcovers as gifts (I did &#8211; my Dad is an avid JacK Vance fan (as am I)) this year is a Subterranean Press christmas!</p>
<p>by the was &#8211; John &#8211; does your offer to personalize books at your local boookseller include Sub. Press editions of your books?</p>
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		<title>By: sarawr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sarawr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Lauren, that&#039;s exactly what I was looking for! I&#039;m starting my Christmas (and self-mas) shopping today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Lauren, that&#8217;s exactly what I was looking for! I&#8217;m starting my Christmas (and self-mas) shopping today.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, HTML fail.  Sorry about that tag I forgot to close. &gt;.&lt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, HTML fail.  Sorry about that tag I forgot to close. &gt;.&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lauren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarawr @ 67 - you might want to try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indiebound.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Indie Bound to find an independent near you - most of them ship pretty much anywhere.  They have a good list of new and used bookstores on there, so I&#039;d bet you&#039;ll find what you&#039;re looking for there.

Matt @ 60 - I know that price increases are frustrating, but one thing to keep in mind is that publishers have to take rising costs into account themselves.  Not in the sense of &quot;Oh hey, the movie theatres are jacking up prices, so we&#039;ll keep up with the Joneses.&quot;   I&#039;m talking about production costs - the price of paper has gone up.  When gas was at $4 a gallon, shipping prices went through the roof.  Consider that a lot of the big publishers are free freight - booksellers meet a certain minimum, and they don&#039;t have to pay to have the books delivered; the publisher eats that cost.  It gets expensive.  So while it would be &lt;i&gt;nice&lt;/i&gt; to keep hardcovers in a certain price range, there&#039;s going to be some unavoidable inflation there.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarawr @ 67 &#8211; you might want to try <a href="http://www.indiebound.org" rel="nofollow">Indie Bound to find an independent near you &#8211; most of them ship pretty much anywhere.  They have a good list of new and used bookstores on there, so I&#8217;d bet you&#8217;ll find what you&#8217;re looking for there.</p>
<p>Matt @ 60 &#8211; I know that price increases are frustrating, but one thing to keep in mind is that publishers have to take rising costs into account themselves.  Not in the sense of &#8220;Oh hey, the movie theatres are jacking up prices, so we&#8217;ll keep up with the Joneses.&#8221;   I&#8217;m talking about production costs &#8211; the price of paper has gone up.  When gas was at $4 a gallon, shipping prices went through the roof.  Consider that a lot of the big publishers are free freight &#8211; booksellers meet a certain minimum, and they don&#8217;t have to pay to have the books delivered; the publisher eats that cost.  It gets expensive.  So while it would be <i>nice</i> to keep hardcovers in a certain price range, there&#8217;s going to be some unavoidable inflation there.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Shaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine Shaffer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, don&#039;t know if anyone is still reading, but wanted to expand on the library thing. I am a lifelong library user, but it was only recently that I realized I wasn&#039;t really getting the most out of it. A lot of writers are down on libraries because they feel that people should be buying books instead. But they don&#039;t fully grok the library hold system.  My local library buys 50-100 copies of popular new books--or whatever it takes to keep the hold list not much more than 2 months deep. That means that buy using your library and requesting books that you want, you are nudging them to buy books. I often see long hold lists for new books, along with a note saying that 40 more copies are on order. So, yes, DO use the library. I can&#039;t afford to buy all the new hardcover books that I want, either, but if I read them at the library, then I am basically buying, say, 1/4 or 1/10 of the book, indirectly via my taxes. I think that&#039;s a very decent arrangement. Then the books get sold in the used book shop and the money goes back into the library. Everybody wins. You can also get DVDs this way. In fact, the library seems to be the poor man&#039;s Netflix in my area. You can get anything you want if you&#039;re willing to wait a week or two, including music.

Also, most people don&#039;t know about interlibrary loan. If you have a small local library, you are probably entitled to borrow books from all over the state through the ILL system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, don&#8217;t know if anyone is still reading, but wanted to expand on the library thing. I am a lifelong library user, but it was only recently that I realized I wasn&#8217;t really getting the most out of it. A lot of writers are down on libraries because they feel that people should be buying books instead. But they don&#8217;t fully grok the library hold system.  My local library buys 50-100 copies of popular new books&#8211;or whatever it takes to keep the hold list not much more than 2 months deep. That means that buy using your library and requesting books that you want, you are nudging them to buy books. I often see long hold lists for new books, along with a note saying that 40 more copies are on order. So, yes, DO use the library. I can&#8217;t afford to buy all the new hardcover books that I want, either, but if I read them at the library, then I am basically buying, say, 1/4 or 1/10 of the book, indirectly via my taxes. I think that&#8217;s a very decent arrangement. Then the books get sold in the used book shop and the money goes back into the library. Everybody wins. You can also get DVDs this way. In fact, the library seems to be the poor man&#8217;s Netflix in my area. You can get anything you want if you&#8217;re willing to wait a week or two, including music.</p>
<p>Also, most people don&#8217;t know about interlibrary loan. If you have a small local library, you are probably entitled to borrow books from all over the state through the ILL system.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas M. Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas M. Wagner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Stephen (11) and Johan (17) have given some really good reasons to like the Kindle (I can certainly sympathize with storage concerns -- I&#039;m just one of those bibliophile wierdos who doesn&#039;t mind having a house stuffed full of books books BOOKS even if there&#039;s little room to walk, and being child-free helps). Insta-downloads are a good selling point to people living far away from good libraries and brick-n-mortar bookstores, too.

But Steve Moss (21) I think is making the kind of unfortunate assumptions that, ironically, lead people to be reluctant to get out of their comfort zones. Sure, there&#039;s loads of &quot;urban fantasy&quot; and para-romance dreck out there (don&#039;t I know it, as I get deluged with the shit monthly). But that stuff&#039;s easy to avoid. Just don&#039;t buy anything that has a tatted goth chick holding a sword silhouetted against a full moon on the cover.

I simply don&#039;t know why you assume everything else out there that you aren&#039;t reading that isn&#039;t urban-fantasy/pararomance is by default some preachy writer trying to shove a worldview down your throat. There&#039;s a lot of stuff out there that&#039;s just damn good entertainment that isn&#039;t getting read, simply because the writer hasn&#039;t achieved a high enough profile. Have you checked out Joe Abercrombie, Brandon Sanderson, Kay Kenyon, Chris Roberson, Scott Lynch, David Gemmell, Toby Buckell? I think you&#039;ll find there are more just plain &lt;i&gt;good yarns&lt;/i&gt; lurking outside your comfort zone than you realize, far more than the crap that&#039;s keeping you in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Stephen (11) and Johan (17) have given some really good reasons to like the Kindle (I can certainly sympathize with storage concerns &#8212; I&#8217;m just one of those bibliophile wierdos who doesn&#8217;t mind having a house stuffed full of books books BOOKS even if there&#8217;s little room to walk, and being child-free helps). Insta-downloads are a good selling point to people living far away from good libraries and brick-n-mortar bookstores, too.</p>
<p>But Steve Moss (21) I think is making the kind of unfortunate assumptions that, ironically, lead people to be reluctant to get out of their comfort zones. Sure, there&#8217;s loads of &#8220;urban fantasy&#8221; and para-romance dreck out there (don&#8217;t I know it, as I get deluged with the shit monthly). But that stuff&#8217;s easy to avoid. Just don&#8217;t buy anything that has a tatted goth chick holding a sword silhouetted against a full moon on the cover.</p>
<p>I simply don&#8217;t know why you assume everything else out there that you aren&#8217;t reading that isn&#8217;t urban-fantasy/pararomance is by default some preachy writer trying to shove a worldview down your throat. There&#8217;s a lot of stuff out there that&#8217;s just damn good entertainment that isn&#8217;t getting read, simply because the writer hasn&#8217;t achieved a high enough profile. Have you checked out Joe Abercrombie, Brandon Sanderson, Kay Kenyon, Chris Roberson, Scott Lynch, David Gemmell, Toby Buckell? I think you&#8217;ll find there are more just plain <i>good yarns</i> lurking outside your comfort zone than you realize, far more than the crap that&#8217;s keeping you in it.</p>
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		<title>By: sarawr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sarawr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having thought about this some more, I have a question:  What would you recommend for someone who generally has $10 or less to spend on a book and no local bookstores?  This has led to a lot of used-on-Amazon purchases lately ($3 books + $4 shipping = the sweet spot), but I&#039;d like to make more of an effort to buy new if possible.  So... is there an online retailer where I can generally get a wide range of new books in my budget?  Is there a whole range of options I&#039;m overlooking?  If so, Christmas just got a whole lot more literate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having thought about this some more, I have a question:  What would you recommend for someone who generally has $10 or less to spend on a book and no local bookstores?  This has led to a lot of used-on-Amazon purchases lately ($3 books + $4 shipping = the sweet spot), but I&#8217;d like to make more of an effort to buy new if possible.  So&#8230; is there an online retailer where I can generally get a wide range of new books in my budget?  Is there a whole range of options I&#8217;m overlooking?  If so, Christmas just got a whole lot more literate.</p>
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