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	<title>Comments on: Reader Request Week #6: 80s Pop Music</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/04/02/reader-request-week-6-80s-pop-music/#comment-265241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was born in 1969 so grew up in the 1970s but whist I like some 70s music plus I am a huge and Massive fan of the group Blondie, I largley think most of the decade was tripe and the 1980s were better. The first 1980s groups which I liked were Adam and the Ants and the Human League and even today I am still very proud of myself for liking Adam and the Ants and have still got his CDS like &#039;Kings of the Wild Frontiere&#039;, &#039;Prince Charming&#039; plus one of his earlier ones &#039;Dirk Wears White Socks&#039; but no Human League for some reason which I dont know why I havent.  I remember also buying Billie Jean by Micheal Jackson when it was released in January 1983 and still think of it as a great fabulous song but I never felt the need to buy the Thriller album but I felt the need to definitley buy the Let&#039;s Dance album by David Bowie which I have still got on CD and really love the title track. I like all the usual suspects like Spandau Ballet and Duran Duran]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1969 so grew up in the 1970s but whist I like some 70s music plus I am a huge and Massive fan of the group Blondie, I largley think most of the decade was tripe and the 1980s were better. The first 1980s groups which I liked were Adam and the Ants and the Human League and even today I am still very proud of myself for liking Adam and the Ants and have still got his CDS like &#8216;Kings of the Wild Frontiere&#8217;, &#8216;Prince Charming&#8217; plus one of his earlier ones &#8216;Dirk Wears White Socks&#8217; but no Human League for some reason which I dont know why I havent.  I remember also buying Billie Jean by Micheal Jackson when it was released in January 1983 and still think of it as a great fabulous song but I never felt the need to buy the Thriller album but I felt the need to definitley buy the Let&#8217;s Dance album by David Bowie which I have still got on CD and really love the title track. I like all the usual suspects like Spandau Ballet and Duran Duran</p>
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		<title>By: geile films</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blogs like this need to be discovered, thanks a lot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogs like this need to be discovered, thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: David Harmon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Harmon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool post -- I checked out your video links, and wound up putting a name to one of the voices of my childhood (Howard Jones) and discovering another band to collect (Herman&#039;s Hermits)!  And my local library sale is still going on, so I might be able to pick some up there....

jp #4:  Wow.

JS:  I do agree with your generational hypothesis, but also concur with Jeff S @#27 that the Internet will change that a bit.  Already in the 80s there were kids like me and several prior commenters, who were more influenced by their parent&#039;s generation.  (It&#039;s probably relevant that records much older than that were &lt;i&gt;fragile&lt;/i&gt;!)

Glaurung_quenaon #35:  You&#039;re probably right about the selection factor!  That would fit in with generally known (and occasionally researched) patterns of human memory over time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool post &#8212; I checked out your video links, and wound up putting a name to one of the voices of my childhood (Howard Jones) and discovering another band to collect (Herman&#8217;s Hermits)!  And my local library sale is still going on, so I might be able to pick some up there&#8230;.</p>
<p>jp #4:  Wow.</p>
<p>JS:  I do agree with your generational hypothesis, but also concur with Jeff S @#27 that the Internet will change that a bit.  Already in the 80s there were kids like me and several prior commenters, who were more influenced by their parent&#8217;s generation.  (It&#8217;s probably relevant that records much older than that were <i>fragile</i>!)</p>
<p>Glaurung_quenaon #35:  You&#8217;re probably right about the selection factor!  That would fit in with generally known (and occasionally researched) patterns of human memory over time.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sheila @ 47.

Thanks.  For whatever reason, as common of a name as it is, &quot;Fred Clark&quot; doesn&#039;t stick in my head as well as &quot;slacktivist.&quot;  I realize that this form of Internet Synecdoche may be an error, however I believe it to be a venal sin COMPARED TO OTHERS. :-)

And yes, dismantling... almost to particle atoms :-)

I likewise pointed Mr. Clark (I can be taught!) toward our Mr. Scalzi&#039;s trip to the Creationism Museum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheila @ 47.</p>
<p>Thanks.  For whatever reason, as common of a name as it is, &#8220;Fred Clark&#8221; doesn&#8217;t stick in my head as well as &#8220;slacktivist.&#8221;  I realize that this form of Internet Synecdoche may be an error, however I believe it to be a venal sin COMPARED TO OTHERS. :-)</p>
<p>And yes, dismantling&#8230; almost to particle atoms :-)</p>
<p>I likewise pointed Mr. Clark (I can be taught!) toward our Mr. Scalzi&#8217;s trip to the Creationism Museum.</p>
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		<title>By: christy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sub-Odean @40: I&#039;m glad to see that someone else remembers Yes&#039;s 80s work as fondly as I do. &quot;Holy Lamb&quot; can still take my right back to my dorm room.

Something that impresses me about 80s music (in retrospect, of course, because back then it was just how it was) was how inclusive much of the radio play was. You could hear Duran Duran, Def Lepard, Ramones, Tina Turner, REM, U2, Run DMC, Blondie, Prince, Men Without Hats, etc etc etc all on one station - maybe two. Now I have to skip around between five of my six pre-program buttons (the sixth is Oldies, which now includes 80s music!) to hear anything like a good selection of music on the radio.

The other thing that has stayed with me is that, at the time, pop music appeared to believe that it could Make A Difference. Peter Gabriel&#039;s music still has social relevence all of these decades later, ditto U2 et al. And Live Aid - what an undertaking! There have been many other benefit megashows since then, but none that seemed to have the aspirations and hope that that one did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sub-Odean @40: I&#8217;m glad to see that someone else remembers Yes&#8217;s 80s work as fondly as I do. &#8220;Holy Lamb&#8221; can still take my right back to my dorm room.</p>
<p>Something that impresses me about 80s music (in retrospect, of course, because back then it was just how it was) was how inclusive much of the radio play was. You could hear Duran Duran, Def Lepard, Ramones, Tina Turner, REM, U2, Run DMC, Blondie, Prince, Men Without Hats, etc etc etc all on one station &#8211; maybe two. Now I have to skip around between five of my six pre-program buttons (the sixth is Oldies, which now includes 80s music!) to hear anything like a good selection of music on the radio.</p>
<p>The other thing that has stayed with me is that, at the time, pop music appeared to believe that it could Make A Difference. Peter Gabriel&#8217;s music still has social relevence all of these decades later, ditto U2 et al. And Live Aid &#8211; what an undertaking! There have been many other benefit megashows since then, but none that seemed to have the aspirations and hope that that one did.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two factors:  80s &quot;New Wave Pop&quot; was 
/different/ from what came before it, for technological
and social reason that are interesting but too large for
this margin I&#039;m writing in.

Also, as #41 alludes to, time is a great filter; we only
bother to listen to the good stuff now.  Thirty years from
now, there will be.. &quot;oughties?&quot; music that is good, it
will just take us that long to figure out what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two factors:  80s &#8220;New Wave Pop&#8221; was<br />
/different/ from what came before it, for technological<br />
and social reason that are interesting but too large for<br />
this margin I&#8217;m writing in.</p>
<p>Also, as #41 alludes to, time is a great filter; we only<br />
bother to listen to the good stuff now.  Thirty years from<br />
now, there will be.. &#8220;oughties?&#8221; music that is good, it<br />
will just take us that long to figure out what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: KJKat</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sub-Odeon@45:
Rush did a song with Bob &amp; Doug Mackenzie for their &quot;Great White North&quot; album called Take Off.  It&#039;s a parody of Canadians that most of us find hysterical...!

http://www.amazon.com/Great-White-North-Doug-McKenzie/dp/B000001EPF/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=music&amp;qid=1238721963&amp;sr=8-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sub-Odeon@45:<br />
Rush did a song with Bob &amp; Doug Mackenzie for their &#8220;Great White North&#8221; album called Take Off.  It&#8217;s a parody of Canadians that most of us find hysterical&#8230;!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Great-White-North-Doug-McKenzie/dp/B000001EPF/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=music&#038;qid=1238721963&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Great-White-North-Doug-McKenzie/dp/B000001EPF/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=music&#038;qid=1238721963&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sheila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[daniel-- The gentleman who writes Slacktivist is named Fred Clark.  (Referring to him as Slacktivist seems a bit like calling Mr. Scalzi &quot;Whatever.&quot;)  I&#039;m likewise a big fan of that blog--his thorough dismantling of Left Behind is brilliantly done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daniel&#8211; The gentleman who writes Slacktivist is named Fred Clark.  (Referring to him as Slacktivist seems a bit like calling Mr. Scalzi &#8220;Whatever.&#8221;)  I&#8217;m likewise a big fan of that blog&#8211;his thorough dismantling of Left Behind is brilliantly done.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryG</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Technology. As has been said, all the affordable synths and drum machines from that era enabled a whole generation of artists who would never even pick a guitar up to create something new. Lots of experiments and nievety made for music that was sonically like nothing that had gone before. Not neccessarily better than 50s/60s/70s stuff but certainly distinctive.

Rush: pah, &#039;Moving Pictures&#039; was their zenith but the muse had left by the end of the 80s. Please don&#039;t talk about Presto... :(  Though she dropped in for the &#039;Snakes and Arrows&#039; sessions apparently, well worth checking out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology. As has been said, all the affordable synths and drum machines from that era enabled a whole generation of artists who would never even pick a guitar up to create something new. Lots of experiments and nievety made for music that was sonically like nothing that had gone before. Not neccessarily better than 50s/60s/70s stuff but certainly distinctive.</p>
<p>Rush: pah, &#8216;Moving Pictures&#8217; was their zenith but the muse had left by the end of the 80s. Please don&#8217;t talk about Presto&#8230; :(  Though she dropped in for the &#8216;Snakes and Arrows&#8217; sessions apparently, well worth checking out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sub-Odeon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sub-Odeon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mycroft, what&#039;s &quot;Take Off?&quot;

&quot;Exit Stage Left&quot; and &quot;Moving Pictures&quot; are two of the other non-Hits albums by Rush that I own.

I am debating whether or not I want to re-buy &quot;Presto,&quot; as that&#039;s right on the verge.

&quot;Roll the Bones&quot; disappointed me so badly, and I just haven&#039;t really enjoyed much Rush since.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mycroft, what&#8217;s &#8220;Take Off?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Exit Stage Left&#8221; and &#8220;Moving Pictures&#8221; are two of the other non-Hits albums by Rush that I own.</p>
<p>I am debating whether or not I want to re-buy &#8220;Presto,&#8221; as that&#8217;s right on the verge.</p>
<p>&#8220;Roll the Bones&#8221; disappointed me so badly, and I just haven&#8217;t really enjoyed much Rush since.</p>
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