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	<description>I FORGET WHAT EIGHT WAS FOR</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/06/06/d-day-65-years/#comment-149625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am Italo-Canadian, so all of my relatives were on the other side.  None fought for the fascists and I have more than a few relatives that were anti-fascist partisans; this includes a family legend about one of dad&#039;s relatives being part of partisan group that captured and executed Benito Mussolini.

The one true story that makes me really proud is that of my mother.  She was 16 by the time the war ended, and during the course of the war she lived in Nazi occupied Italy (in Friuli, where apparently the Nazi&#039;s were particularly brutal.).   During this time, my Mom found an escaped POW (an Australian) and instead of turning him over to the Nazi&#039;s she sent him to the local parish priest who arranged to hide the POW at a local farm as a farm labourer.   Took guts on the part of my mom; had she been found out, I would not be here to tell the story.

The story has a cute ending.  Turns out the farmer had a daughter and she and the escaped Aussie POW fell in love and Married.  My Mom was Maid of Honour at her Wedding.  I remember meeting this woman when I was a teenager.

My dad must have had some horrible stories during the war; he too lived in Nazi occupied Northern but was urban working class.  When he said he starved, he literally meant it.  He never told the horrible stories, but told some funny ones.

Cheers
Andrew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Italo-Canadian, so all of my relatives were on the other side.  None fought for the fascists and I have more than a few relatives that were anti-fascist partisans; this includes a family legend about one of dad&#8217;s relatives being part of partisan group that captured and executed Benito Mussolini.</p>
<p>The one true story that makes me really proud is that of my mother.  She was 16 by the time the war ended, and during the course of the war she lived in Nazi occupied Italy (in Friuli, where apparently the Nazi&#8217;s were particularly brutal.).   During this time, my Mom found an escaped POW (an Australian) and instead of turning him over to the Nazi&#8217;s she sent him to the local parish priest who arranged to hide the POW at a local farm as a farm labourer.   Took guts on the part of my mom; had she been found out, I would not be here to tell the story.</p>
<p>The story has a cute ending.  Turns out the farmer had a daughter and she and the escaped Aussie POW fell in love and Married.  My Mom was Maid of Honour at her Wedding.  I remember meeting this woman when I was a teenager.</p>
<p>My dad must have had some horrible stories during the war; he too lived in Nazi occupied Northern but was urban working class.  When he said he starved, he literally meant it.  He never told the horrible stories, but told some funny ones.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Patience</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[may i ask where the photo is from?  Is it a Capa?

my father manned the amphibians when they invaded iwo jima.  i lived for his stories and his mind.  he has passed he would have been 83 this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>may i ask where the photo is from?  Is it a Capa?</p>
<p>my father manned the amphibians when they invaded iwo jima.  i lived for his stories and his mind.  he has passed he would have been 83 this year.</p>
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		<title>By: martinl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Defeating the Nazis was capital-I Important.

UK and USSR stubbornness, American wealth, and Nazi stupidity[1] had made that inevitable by the time of the Normandy landings. 

They were still vital however.
I.  They helped show democracies could fight tough fights.
II. They fufilled diplomatic promises to the USSR that helped add a little trust to USSR-Western diplomacy.  (It was not exactly trusting after the war, but before WWII worse.)
III.  It &quot;saved&quot; a lot of Western Europe from the USSR, which would have been a disaster for WE, The USSR (overstretch), and the remaining Western democracies (who would have felt a tad outnumbered at that point).  

[1] Just mentioning dominant stuff.  All the involved nations had wealth, stubbornness and stupidity in great quantity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Defeating the Nazis was capital-I Important.</p>
<p>UK and USSR stubbornness, American wealth, and Nazi stupidity[1] had made that inevitable by the time of the Normandy landings. </p>
<p>They were still vital however.<br />
I.  They helped show democracies could fight tough fights.<br />
II. They fufilled diplomatic promises to the USSR that helped add a little trust to USSR-Western diplomacy.  (It was not exactly trusting after the war, but before WWII worse.)<br />
III.  It &#8220;saved&#8221; a lot of Western Europe from the USSR, which would have been a disaster for WE, The USSR (overstretch), and the remaining Western democracies (who would have felt a tad outnumbered at that point).  </p>
<p>[1] Just mentioning dominant stuff.  All the involved nations had wealth, stubbornness and stupidity in great quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick,

Actually, I don&#039;t remember High School History ever teaching a detailed account of D-Day. It was pretyy much covered genericly. However, when I was a teenager, I was an avid wargammer. I mean the kind you played on a board face to face with actual people. (Quaint, I know).

It was with games like Squad Leader (and Advanced Squad Leader), Third Reich, Afrika Corps, D-Day, Panzer Leader, PanzerBlitz and the like where I learned a lot about WWII history.

There was one game I remember called &quot;Gold, Juno, Sword&quot; made by (IIRC) Avalon Hill that specifically treated the three non-American beachheads.

And you attempted to not repeat Montomgery&#039;s mistakes (which actually wasn&#039;t all that difficult).

Anyway, it was through these strategic, operational, and tactical level war games that I learned quite a bit about WWII.

And of course I read a bunch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t remember High School History ever teaching a detailed account of D-Day. It was pretyy much covered genericly. However, when I was a teenager, I was an avid wargammer. I mean the kind you played on a board face to face with actual people. (Quaint, I know).</p>
<p>It was with games like Squad Leader (and Advanced Squad Leader), Third Reich, Afrika Corps, D-Day, Panzer Leader, PanzerBlitz and the like where I learned a lot about WWII history.</p>
<p>There was one game I remember called &#8220;Gold, Juno, Sword&#8221; made by (IIRC) Avalon Hill that specifically treated the three non-American beachheads.</p>
<p>And you attempted to not repeat Montomgery&#8217;s mistakes (which actually wasn&#8217;t all that difficult).</p>
<p>Anyway, it was through these strategic, operational, and tactical level war games that I learned quite a bit about WWII.</p>
<p>And of course I read a bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose I shouldn&#039;t be boggled that there are people in the west who don&#039;t immediately know what &quot;Utah Omaha Gold Juno Sword&quot; means, but it&#039;s still hard to believe how freakin ignorant some people are.   It means that they slept through high school history and never in their life turned on a television or cracked open a newspaper on the anniversary of D-day.
 
     re family:  No one on the beaches at Normandy, but one great uncle fought at El Alamein and another was evacuated from Dunkirk.  The latter had some interesting stories, and I have a slide-rule that he swiped off a desk before heading for the beach.  One grandfather was a radio-operator in the RAF and the other built aircraft.  IIRC, my grandparents hosted some children evacuated from London.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose I shouldn&#8217;t be boggled that there are people in the west who don&#8217;t immediately know what &#8220;Utah Omaha Gold Juno Sword&#8221; means, but it&#8217;s still hard to believe how freakin ignorant some people are.   It means that they slept through high school history and never in their life turned on a television or cracked open a newspaper on the anniversary of D-day.</p>
<p>     re family:  No one on the beaches at Normandy, but one great uncle fought at El Alamein and another was evacuated from Dunkirk.  The latter had some interesting stories, and I have a slide-rule that he swiped off a desk before heading for the beach.  One grandfather was a radio-operator in the RAF and the other built aircraft.  IIRC, my grandparents hosted some children evacuated from London.</p>
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		<title>By: Lilith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dad was in the Pacific islands in the Australian Army as a supply Sergeant in WWII.  I don&#039;t think he actually fought, but he developed diabetes during his service (Mum said it was from bad diet - they were sending all the good food to the lads at the front).  The diabetes eventually led to the kidney failure that killed him when I was 8.  

My Uncle Fred was on Ambon when it was overrun by the Japanese.  Instead of surrendering and being taken prisoner, he and a couple of his mates stole a rowboat and a few supplies and headed out to sea.  They were rescued by a passing merchant ship three weeks later, barely alive.  My mother showed me a newspaper clipping about it when I was small and told me how for a couple of years after the war Fred had to sleep in a separate bedroom to his wife, because he had attacked her in his sleep thinking she was a Japanese soldier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad was in the Pacific islands in the Australian Army as a supply Sergeant in WWII.  I don&#8217;t think he actually fought, but he developed diabetes during his service (Mum said it was from bad diet &#8211; they were sending all the good food to the lads at the front).  The diabetes eventually led to the kidney failure that killed him when I was 8.  </p>
<p>My Uncle Fred was on Ambon when it was overrun by the Japanese.  Instead of surrendering and being taken prisoner, he and a couple of his mates stole a rowboat and a few supplies and headed out to sea.  They were rescued by a passing merchant ship three weeks later, barely alive.  My mother showed me a newspaper clipping about it when I was small and told me how for a couple of years after the war Fred had to sleep in a separate bedroom to his wife, because he had attacked her in his sleep thinking she was a Japanese soldier.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Struggle for Europe&quot;, one of the first books written about the landings (1947), opens with a quotation from &lt;i&gt;Samson Agonistes&lt;/i&gt;:

How comely it is, and how reviving
To the spirits of just men long opprest,
When God into the hands of their deliverers
Puts invincible might.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Struggle for Europe&#8221;, one of the first books written about the landings (1947), opens with a quotation from <i>Samson Agonistes</i>:</p>
<p>How comely it is, and how reviving<br />
To the spirits of just men long opprest,<br />
When God into the hands of their deliverers<br />
Puts invincible might.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phoenician in a time of Romans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the impression MEPs are about as relevant as dogcatchers.  What was the turnout in those elections?  Got a link?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the impression MEPs are about as relevant as dogcatchers.  What was the turnout in those elections?  Got a link?</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phoenician in a time of Romans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have the impression MEPs are about as relevant as docatchers.  What was the turnout in those elections?  Got a link?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the impression MEPs are about as relevant as docatchers.  What was the turnout in those elections?  Got a link?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkHB</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look on the bright side, Phoenician - at least the US didn&#039;t just elect two effing neo-nazis as MEPs in the european elections.

I need a drink.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look on the bright side, Phoenician &#8211; at least the US didn&#8217;t just elect two effing neo-nazis as MEPs in the european elections.</p>
<p>I need a drink.</p>
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