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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/08/11/anticipation-from-the-other-side/#comment-159010</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From the Hugo Awards FAQ,&quot;

More authoritatively, from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wsfs.org/bm/const-2008.html#hugo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WSFS Constitution&lt;/a&gt;, which officially defines the Hugo rules, among other things: &lt;blockquote&gt; [...] Section 3.2: General.

3.2.1: Unless otherwise specified, Hugo Awards are given for work in the field of science fiction or fantasy appearing for the first time during the previous calendar year.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;  Moreover, no committee, nor Hugo subcommittee, nor Hugo Administrator, has ever ruled out a piece of fiction because of any judgment on its content (as opposed to place/time/degree of publication): in content, it&#039;s up to the voters to vote for whatever they think they want to nominate, and then vote for.  

Naturally, people will always disagree, and some prefer sf, some fantasy, lots of people have different definitions, etc., but none of that is the business of anyone with any power over the Hugos other than each individual voter.  And then, of course, everyone gets to opine about how right or wrong the voters were.  :-)

Meanwhile, if you want early examples of outright fantasy winning Hugos, note, say, Best Short Story Winner: &quot;Or All the Seas with Oysters&quot; by Avram Davidson [Galaxy May 1958], or 	&quot;That Hell-Bound Train&quot; by Robert Bloch [F&amp;SF Sep 1958, although a 1959 Hugo winner, since Hugos don&#039;t&#039;t run by calendar year].  Similarly, the 1959 Best Professional Magazine Hugo winner was &lt;i&gt;The Magazine of Fantasy &amp; Science Fiction&lt;/i&gt;, which won innumerable times over magazines that focused more on &quot;just&quot; sf.  Etc., etc., etc.

This question is a perennial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From the Hugo Awards FAQ,&#8221;</p>
<p>More authoritatively, from the <a href="http://www.wsfs.org/bm/const-2008.html#hugo" rel="nofollow">WSFS Constitution</a>, which officially defines the Hugo rules, among other things:<br />
<blockquote> [...] Section 3.2: General.</p>
<p>3.2.1: Unless otherwise specified, Hugo Awards are given for work in the field of science fiction or fantasy appearing for the first time during the previous calendar year.  </p></blockquote>
<p>  Moreover, no committee, nor Hugo subcommittee, nor Hugo Administrator, has ever ruled out a piece of fiction because of any judgment on its content (as opposed to place/time/degree of publication): in content, it&#8217;s up to the voters to vote for whatever they think they want to nominate, and then vote for.  </p>
<p>Naturally, people will always disagree, and some prefer sf, some fantasy, lots of people have different definitions, etc., but none of that is the business of anyone with any power over the Hugos other than each individual voter.  And then, of course, everyone gets to opine about how right or wrong the voters were.  :-)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, if you want early examples of outright fantasy winning Hugos, note, say, Best Short Story Winner: &#8220;Or All the Seas with Oysters&#8221; by Avram Davidson [Galaxy May 1958], or 	&#8220;That Hell-Bound Train&#8221; by Robert Bloch [F&amp;SF Sep 1958, although a 1959 Hugo winner, since Hugos don't't run by calendar year].  Similarly, the 1959 Best Professional Magazine Hugo winner was <i>The Magazine of Fantasy &amp; Science Fiction</i>, which won innumerable times over magazines that focused more on &#8220;just&#8221; sf.  Etc., etc., etc.</p>
<p>This question is a perennial.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Linnett</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/08/11/anticipation-from-the-other-side/#comment-158337</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Linnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr. Scalzi, I know I&#039;m a bit late with this, but congratulations on the Hugo win. It was one of the categories with some wonderful competition, and your win was well deserved.

The Palais des congrès was a very interesting building, but I swear there&#039;s a space warp in there on the 5th floor. Walking from one end of the building to the other end on the 1st or 2nd floor didn&#039;t seem all that far. However, on the 5th floor it really seemed as if there was an extra building in there somewhere.

And having seen you and your lovely wife together at the Convention, I have to say, she is not only beautiful and tolerant, but also very patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr. Scalzi, I know I&#8217;m a bit late with this, but congratulations on the Hugo win. It was one of the categories with some wonderful competition, and your win was well deserved.</p>
<p>The Palais des congrès was a very interesting building, but I swear there&#8217;s a space warp in there on the 5th floor. Walking from one end of the building to the other end on the 1st or 2nd floor didn&#8217;t seem all that far. However, on the 5th floor it really seemed as if there was an extra building in there somewhere.</p>
<p>And having seen you and your lovely wife together at the Convention, I have to say, she is not only beautiful and tolerant, but also very patient.</p>
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		<title>By: David Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Kendall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hugos are for fantasy as well as science fiction.  From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-faq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hugo Awards FAQ&lt;/a&gt;, they&#039;re &quot;awards for excellence in the field of science fiction and fantasy.&quot;

Gaiman was nominated for best &lt;em&gt;novel&lt;/em&gt; . . . not best &lt;em&gt;science fiction novel&lt;/em&gt;.  Again from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-categories/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hugo Awards web site&lt;/a&gt;:  &quot;Best Novel: Awarded for a science fiction or fantasy story of forty thousand (40,000) words or more.&quot;

I&#039;m guessing the confusion comes from it being called the &quot;World Science Fiction Convention&quot; and the &quot;World Science Fiction Society,&quot; but it&#039;s really about more than just science fiction.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hugos are for fantasy as well as science fiction.  From the <a href="http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-faq/" rel="nofollow">Hugo Awards FAQ</a>, they&#8217;re &#8220;awards for excellence in the field of science fiction and fantasy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gaiman was nominated for best <em>novel</em> . . . not best <em>science fiction novel</em>.  Again from the <a href="http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-categories/" rel="nofollow">Hugo Awards web site</a>:  &#8220;Best Novel: Awarded for a science fiction or fantasy story of forty thousand (40,000) words or more.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the confusion comes from it being called the &#8220;World Science Fiction Convention&#8221; and the &#8220;World Science Fiction Society,&#8221; but it&#8217;s really about more than just science fiction.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: David Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed Worldcon and wanted to say thanks for taking the time to sign my copy of THE ANDROID&#039;S DREAM for me after one of the panels. I know you were in a rush to get to the next panel and it was a bit of a pain having me slow you down but that was cool of you not to gripe but just say ok and sign my book.  It meant a lot to me and thanks!  I saw you on a few panels and thought you did a great job.  

As for the Hugo for best novel, I voted for Zoe&#039;s Tale and although I love Neil Gaiman&#039;s stuff, I can&#039;t understand why he was nominated for best SCIENCE FICTION novel.  Aren&#039;t his books fantasy?  No big deal and maybe I&#039;m missing something.

Thanks again, Mr. Scalzi!
Dave Christie
Whitehorse, Yukon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed Worldcon and wanted to say thanks for taking the time to sign my copy of THE ANDROID&#8217;S DREAM for me after one of the panels. I know you were in a rush to get to the next panel and it was a bit of a pain having me slow you down but that was cool of you not to gripe but just say ok and sign my book.  It meant a lot to me and thanks!  I saw you on a few panels and thought you did a great job.  </p>
<p>As for the Hugo for best novel, I voted for Zoe&#8217;s Tale and although I love Neil Gaiman&#8217;s stuff, I can&#8217;t understand why he was nominated for best SCIENCE FICTION novel.  Aren&#8217;t his books fantasy?  No big deal and maybe I&#8217;m missing something.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Mr. Scalzi!<br />
Dave Christie<br />
Whitehorse, Yukon</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Beeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Beeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First, the group I like to call the Clarion Clump, comprised of the former students of Neil Gaiman and Nalo Hopkinson (the latter of whom I also met for the first time, and who I was genuinely thrilled to meet, because she is awesome). The CC were a group of smart and snarky younger folks whose immediate response for my gentle mocking of their clumping tendencies (i.e., to travel as a unit) was to engage in an immediate and sustained campaign of George Lucas-based harassment against me. Which of course endeared them to me immensely. These are my kind of people. Shine on, you crazy Clarion diamonds.&quot;

I called them &quot;The entourage for hire&quot;  since I almost always saw them in the company of a more than one well known writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, the group I like to call the Clarion Clump, comprised of the former students of Neil Gaiman and Nalo Hopkinson (the latter of whom I also met for the first time, and who I was genuinely thrilled to meet, because she is awesome). The CC were a group of smart and snarky younger folks whose immediate response for my gentle mocking of their clumping tendencies (i.e., to travel as a unit) was to engage in an immediate and sustained campaign of George Lucas-based harassment against me. Which of course endeared them to me immensely. These are my kind of people. Shine on, you crazy Clarion diamonds.&#8221;</p>
<p>I called them &#8220;The entourage for hire&#8221;  since I almost always saw them in the company of a more than one well known writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Dashoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Dashoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:

I share your appreciation of Silverberg.  The first time I chaired a Philcon, I called him, out of the blue, to be my GOH and he accepted and was the perfect guest, with the same dry wit.  This year, at Anticipation, I was in the Green Room having breakfast before a panel, and Silverberg, Larry Niven and Tom Easton joined me at the table and we started reminiscing about Charlie Brown, who I&#039;d seen at Readercon just before he passed away.  People who aren&#039;t in fandom just don&#039;t relaize how awesome it is that things like this happen.  

Liz@47:

The Brits are making rumblings about another bid for 2014, so keep an eye out- you may be at a Worldcon sooner than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:</p>
<p>I share your appreciation of Silverberg.  The first time I chaired a Philcon, I called him, out of the blue, to be my GOH and he accepted and was the perfect guest, with the same dry wit.  This year, at Anticipation, I was in the Green Room having breakfast before a panel, and Silverberg, Larry Niven and Tom Easton joined me at the table and we started reminiscing about Charlie Brown, who I&#8217;d seen at Readercon just before he passed away.  People who aren&#8217;t in fandom just don&#8217;t relaize how awesome it is that things like this happen.  </p>
<p>Liz@47:</p>
<p>The Brits are making rumblings about another bid for 2014, so keep an eye out- you may be at a Worldcon sooner than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worldcon sounds amazing.  One day I&#039;ll have to cross the pond and go.</description>
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		<title>By: David Goldfarb</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldfarb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  You were on that plane out of Montreal?  Cause, as I was lining up to get on that plane, I turned around and there Neil was.  We chatted a little bit about Charles N. Brown as we boarded.  We were actually sitting only a few rows apart, and I briefly entertained a fantasy of trying to swap seats with somebody before dismissing that as too fanboy-stalkerish.  (And when I got up to go to the lavatory I noticed that he was napping -- not too surprising after five days of being &quot;on&quot; as GoH.)  I didn&#039;t check any bags, so no chance of meeting up with either of you at baggage claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  You were on that plane out of Montreal?  Cause, as I was lining up to get on that plane, I turned around and there Neil was.  We chatted a little bit about Charles N. Brown as we boarded.  We were actually sitting only a few rows apart, and I briefly entertained a fantasy of trying to swap seats with somebody before dismissing that as too fanboy-stalkerish.  (And when I got up to go to the lavatory I noticed that he was napping &#8212; not too surprising after five days of being &#8220;on&#8221; as GoH.)  I didn&#8217;t check any bags, so no chance of meeting up with either of you at baggage claim.</p>
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		<title>By: stevem</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the Ariel recommendation.  It rocks, despite (or maybe because of) being a &#039;boy and his unicorn&#039; story.</description>
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