Comments on: The Ultimate Juxtaposition http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/ DEVISING A SYSTEM FOR REMEMBERING EVERYTHING Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:05:46 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Eofhan http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169642 Eofhan Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:30:01 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169642 Rohrschach? (It exists not so much to communicate a message, as to provoke an illuminating reaction.) Rohrschach? (It exists not so much to communicate a message, as to provoke an illuminating reaction.)

]]> By: Dane http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169630 Dane Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:12:29 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169630 I'd buy one. Maybe once upon a time I'd have been naive enough to fly it. John- you pointed out to me that some might be offended by the Battle Flag and convinced me it was in bad taste to do so. This flag doesn't confuse me like it seems to have so many of you. I believe in Southern Pride, local government, and states rights. I voted for Obama because I thought he was the best man for the job of representing the people of the country as an Executive power. Still not sure what all the fuss it about with combining the two in a flag. I got ones with John Wayne, Willie Nelson, and an Eagle on it too. If I find one with John Scalvi on it- I'd buy of those too. I’d buy one. Maybe once upon a time I’d have been naive enough to fly it. John- you pointed out to me that some might be offended by the Battle Flag and convinced me it was in bad taste to do so.

This flag doesn’t confuse me like it seems to have so many of you. I believe in Southern Pride, local government, and states rights. I voted for Obama because I thought he was the best man for the job of representing the people of the country as an Executive power.

Still not sure what all the fuss it about with combining the two in a flag. I got ones with John Wayne, Willie Nelson, and an Eagle on it too. If I find one with John Scalvi on it- I’d buy of those too.

]]> By: Xopher http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169544 Xopher Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:37:57 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169544 How about a general discussion of semiotics and how symbols change in meaning over time, John? No? Oh, all right. I did that on Boing Boing anyway. How about a general discussion of semiotics and how symbols change in meaning over time, John?

No?

Oh, all right. I did that on Boing Boing anyway.

]]> By: IQ http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169543 IQ Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:01:10 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169543 [deleted, see above -- JS] [deleted, see above -- JS]

]]> By: Montag http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169522 Montag Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:01:54 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169522 [deleted because I already said a particular discussion is not going to go on in this thread, and people who are able to read should be able to comprehend what that means -- JS] [deleted because I already said a particular discussion is not going to go on in this thread, and people who are able to read should be able to comprehend what that means -- JS]

]]> By: John Scalzi http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169520 John Scalzi Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:54:45 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169520 IQ: Actually, a symbol's meaning is defined by those who make the symbol, and your apologia for a racist symbol is pretty damn silly both logically and rhetorically. That said, again, we're not going to have a general discussion of Confederate symbolism here, so this is where that line of discussion ends. IQ:

Actually, a symbol’s meaning is defined by those who make the symbol, and your apologia for a racist symbol is pretty damn silly both logically and rhetorically.

That said, again, we’re not going to have a general discussion of Confederate symbolism here, so this is where that line of discussion ends.

]]> By: IQ http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169518 IQ Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:44:32 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169518 A symbol's meaning is defined by those who display the symbol, NOT by those who don't. No other way around it. The hatred from the left against this symbol is a clear sign they don't understand the meaning of the symbol by those who display it. CLEARLY the person who made this does NOT see the stars and bars as a racist symbol, therefore, it's not intended to be, therefore, it's not. I've lived in the South my entire life and I've only met a SINGLE person that is both a racist and someone who displays the Confederate flag. 100% of every one else I've ever known to display this flag has done so out of Southern pride, even that one racist displayed the flag out of Southern pride and racism wasn't part of his reason he displayed the flag. Once more: A symbol's meaning is defined by those who display the symbol, NOT by those who don't. Imagine a bunch of people that don't like Obama suddenly claimed that his "O" symbol stood for communism... Would it make it so? A symbol’s meaning is defined by those who display the symbol, NOT by those who don’t.

No other way around it. The hatred from the left against this symbol is a clear sign they don’t understand the meaning of the symbol by those who display it.

CLEARLY the person who made this does NOT see the stars and bars as a racist symbol, therefore, it’s not intended to be, therefore, it’s not.

I’ve lived in the South my entire life and I’ve only met a SINGLE person that is both a racist and someone who displays the Confederate flag. 100% of every one else I’ve ever known to display this flag has done so out of Southern pride, even that one racist displayed the flag out of Southern pride and racism wasn’t part of his reason he displayed the flag.

Once more: A symbol’s meaning is defined by those who display the symbol, NOT by those who don’t. Imagine a bunch of people that don’t like Obama suddenly claimed that his “O” symbol stood for communism… Would it make it so?

]]> By: DPWally http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169374 DPWally Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:48:53 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169374 Looks sinister to me. Obama's "hope" becomes the hope that the confederacy will return to power and put him in his place. It's the kind of flag that makes me want to *know* whether the person flying it is armed. Looks sinister to me. Obama’s “hope” becomes the hope that the confederacy will return to power and put him in his place.

It’s the kind of flag that makes me want to *know* whether the person flying it is armed.

]]> By: Johnny Carruthers http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169307 Johnny Carruthers Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:41 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169307 I think it's for people who want to piss off EVERYone. I think it’s for people who want to piss off EVERYone.

]]> By: Doug http://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/08/the-ultimate-juxtaposition/#comment-169286 Doug Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:23:54 +0000 http://whatever.scalzi.com/?p=8727#comment-169286 Quoting Abi Sutherland at Making Light, "Nomination does not equal award. It is true that nominations closed very early in the Obama presidency. That does not mean that the award was decided then, nor on the basis of what was known at that time. "I strongly suspect that pointing out the date of nomination is going to be a wingnut marker. It has all the hallmarks: it’s both factually true and entirely misleading, and it is designed to reinforce existing views rather than inform." Quoting Abi Sutherland at Making Light, “Nomination does not equal award. It is true that nominations closed very early in the Obama presidency. That does not mean that the award was decided then, nor on the basis of what was known at that time.
“I strongly suspect that pointing out the date of nomination is going to be a wingnut marker. It has all the hallmarks: it’s both factually true and entirely misleading, and it is designed to reinforce existing views rather than inform.”

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