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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/02/01/all-the-many-ways-amazon-so-very-failed-the-weekend/#comment-215949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 21:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The library sounds better and better all the time.]]></description>
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		<title>By: James Pittman</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/02/01/all-the-many-ways-amazon-so-very-failed-the-weekend/#comment-209447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Pittman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! I guess ignorance is bliss, and I mean my own as well.  I hope all works out well for you with this FUBAR situation by Amazon.  My family buys a ton of books from them, including textbooks for nursing school... we will NOT, however, be buying anything from them until they fully restore their entire list of books to the server.  As an aspiring writer (yes, I sent in my entry) it is enlightening to read many of your responses on this thread.  I feel a little bit of solidarity on this issue would be nice, and I realize you haven&#039;t called for a boycott or anything, still, I just discovered Old Man&#039;s War and am excited to read all of your books ASAP.  
I think the point some people are missing is, it wasn&#039;t a matter of agreeing with one side or the other, but more so that Amazon did it in a sneaky manner, giving no fair warning to the people who create the product Amazons sells; namely, the authors.
That being said, please don&#039;t hate my grammar, etc...lol.. I don&#039;t edit...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I guess ignorance is bliss, and I mean my own as well.  I hope all works out well for you with this FUBAR situation by Amazon.  My family buys a ton of books from them, including textbooks for nursing school&#8230; we will NOT, however, be buying anything from them until they fully restore their entire list of books to the server.  As an aspiring writer (yes, I sent in my entry) it is enlightening to read many of your responses on this thread.  I feel a little bit of solidarity on this issue would be nice, and I realize you haven&#8217;t called for a boycott or anything, still, I just discovered Old Man&#8217;s War and am excited to read all of your books ASAP.<br />
I think the point some people are missing is, it wasn&#8217;t a matter of agreeing with one side or the other, but more so that Amazon did it in a sneaky manner, giving no fair warning to the people who create the product Amazons sells; namely, the authors.<br />
That being said, please don&#8217;t hate my grammar, etc&#8230;lol.. I don&#8217;t edit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost May and this fight is STILL going on. The only people getting screwed here are the authors and consumers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost May and this fight is STILL going on. The only people getting screwed here are the authors and consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pardon my lack of editing in my previous post.  I did have a few typos and errors. My apologies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my lack of editing in my previous post.  I did have a few typos and errors. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cheri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 23:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heartily agree with what Dana said in comment #385.  I had not paid too much attention to the publisher&#039;s in this regard before but they now have my full attention particularly Macmillan, HarperCollins, Simon and Schuster, Hachette Book Group and all their subsidiaries.  I have a Kindle.  I find that it is much better for reading and does not irritate migraines as the Ipad can do.  The Ipad and Nook are already appearing to have DRM issues as well different from what we were originally told.  What a surprise.  

I am an avid book reader and collector personally as is all my family.  I also impact students and their reading as an educator and librarian.
I support the authors and I like to support independent book stores.

The reality with the ereaders is we don&#039;t own the  books, they are licensed to us and not permanently when you read the licenses.  I buy them or lease them for space, to quickly access new releases before I can get to the book store to buy the hardcovers which I will still also buy to have permanently, for travel, and for checking out new authors and titles for review before recommending them for library purchases or for personal purchases in physical paperback or hardback format.  Since the e-versions are licensed, I do have a problem with the huge over-pricing, lac of access,  and control issues I now see going on a result of the publisher agency model politicking and politicking by Steve Jobs with Apple and Bezos with Amazon.  And I am a big consumer of products of all of these groups.

I have also noticed faulty tax formula software collections overcharging by a half penny in sales tax by the agency model publisher groups in internet sales and now that they have my attention I am ready to bring them all to the attention of my city&#039;s mayor in Houston and to the state comptroller and get audits done to make sure our state and city are getting proper tax revenues sent from these groups.  I am also going to be giving an earful to the publishers and Apple.  Have already done so for three to four hours worth to amazon at higher levels.  I will also be contacting all my favorite authors represented by these publishers who are now causing me problems at times accessing author work and trying to control and play political games at pricing and marketing but also doing so very inconsistently and playing all kinds of favoritism games rather than using good business practices.   I also am researching LibreDigital to see if they have a role in some of this with marketing ploys on driving up prices of internet sales on collusion with the afore-mentioned publishing houses four of which are their clients in marketing and using software for digitalizing ebook services and business practices, according to the LibreDigital website.  Well now you have some of your readers&#039; attention like mine... It was not a smart thing to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heartily agree with what Dana said in comment #385.  I had not paid too much attention to the publisher&#8217;s in this regard before but they now have my full attention particularly Macmillan, HarperCollins, Simon and Schuster, Hachette Book Group and all their subsidiaries.  I have a Kindle.  I find that it is much better for reading and does not irritate migraines as the Ipad can do.  The Ipad and Nook are already appearing to have DRM issues as well different from what we were originally told.  What a surprise.  </p>
<p>I am an avid book reader and collector personally as is all my family.  I also impact students and their reading as an educator and librarian.<br />
I support the authors and I like to support independent book stores.</p>
<p>The reality with the ereaders is we don&#8217;t own the  books, they are licensed to us and not permanently when you read the licenses.  I buy them or lease them for space, to quickly access new releases before I can get to the book store to buy the hardcovers which I will still also buy to have permanently, for travel, and for checking out new authors and titles for review before recommending them for library purchases or for personal purchases in physical paperback or hardback format.  Since the e-versions are licensed, I do have a problem with the huge over-pricing, lac of access,  and control issues I now see going on a result of the publisher agency model politicking and politicking by Steve Jobs with Apple and Bezos with Amazon.  And I am a big consumer of products of all of these groups.</p>
<p>I have also noticed faulty tax formula software collections overcharging by a half penny in sales tax by the agency model publisher groups in internet sales and now that they have my attention I am ready to bring them all to the attention of my city&#8217;s mayor in Houston and to the state comptroller and get audits done to make sure our state and city are getting proper tax revenues sent from these groups.  I am also going to be giving an earful to the publishers and Apple.  Have already done so for three to four hours worth to amazon at higher levels.  I will also be contacting all my favorite authors represented by these publishers who are now causing me problems at times accessing author work and trying to control and play political games at pricing and marketing but also doing so very inconsistently and playing all kinds of favoritism games rather than using good business practices.   I also am researching LibreDigital to see if they have a role in some of this with marketing ploys on driving up prices of internet sales on collusion with the afore-mentioned publishing houses four of which are their clients in marketing and using software for digitalizing ebook services and business practices, according to the LibreDigital website.  Well now you have some of your readers&#8217; attention like mine&#8230; It was not a smart thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: doug baxter</title>
		<link>http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010/02/01/all-the-many-ways-amazon-so-very-failed-the-weekend/#comment-199229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doug baxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Scalzi, 

I love your books.  I want you to be fairly compensated for your work.

But I won&#039;t go back to paper format.  And Amazon, for all its warts, is my favorite place to shop.  I love my Kindle, and I will find ebooks to read on it.  I hope they will include yours.

a sincere fan,
doug baxter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Scalzi, </p>
<p>I love your books.  I want you to be fairly compensated for your work.</p>
<p>But I won&#8217;t go back to paper format.  And Amazon, for all its warts, is my favorite place to shop.  I love my Kindle, and I will find ebooks to read on it.  I hope they will include yours.</p>
<p>a sincere fan,<br />
doug baxter</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff L</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This most recent piece of idiocy seems to be coming from the publishers, as it is affecting many venues, not just Amazon (Fictionwise, Diesel, B+N, Sony have all been identified.

Apparently, as a result of the terms under which the iPad and iBooks are operating, the prices at which their books can be sold to other mediums is restricted and new contracts need to go into place.  This has not been reported on as widely as the Amazon issue (yet), so if anyone has other details please advise..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This most recent piece of idiocy seems to be coming from the publishers, as it is affecting many venues, not just Amazon (Fictionwise, Diesel, B+N, Sony have all been identified.</p>
<p>Apparently, as a result of the terms under which the iPad and iBooks are operating, the prices at which their books can be sold to other mediums is restricted and new contracts need to go into place.  This has not been reported on as widely as the Amazon issue (yet), so if anyone has other details please advise..</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really tired of the dick waving.  To the publishing companies and Amazon (although it isn&#039;t just them... titles were scrubbed from the B&amp;N site as well), I say this: put &#039;em back in your pants.  

I don&#039;t care about a behind-the-scenes pissing contest, and I loathe stupid stunts.  I know that at the midnight hour on March 30th when I downloaded a Patricia Briggs&#039; Silver Borne (which is excellent,btw) because I just couldn&#039;t wait to start reading it-- even though I knew my reserved library copy would be available in 1-2 days at most-- I checked on my pre-order of Changeless by Gail Carriger.  Yep, still due out March 30th in stores and April 1st for e-book format.  

Unfortunately, I woke up to find a not-so-funny April Fool&#039;s day surprise.  No book.  I spoke with an Amazon rep. and discovered it wasn&#039;t a glitch with the format of the book that had to be fixed.  There was no future date that I could expect the book given.  I contacted Orbit publishing.  They wouldn&#039;t comment or respond.  And I blame them as much as Amazon, which everyone  seems to be hating on.  (Both parties need to man up and quit with the pissing contests.)

If I knew that it wouldn&#039;t be hurting the author, I would have cancelled my order for the book --- and I was mad enough to do it, but it had been past 7 days so I couldn&#039;t return my kindle version of Soulless --- the marvellous first book in this particular series.  So, I might as well tough it out.  (note- I had already read it via the library.  I only purchased the ebook version so I could have the set.)

My opinion for what it is worth --- as I can&#039;t figure out what all the in-fighting and bickering is about:

&gt; e-books are not hurting the sales of hardcover books as much as publishing houses want to believe.  If I collect a book in hardcover, I will buy the book in hardcover.  If not, I get it from the library and wait to buy it in paperback.  The alternative, which actually would help sales--- as the ebook price of just released hardcovers is higher than the paperback price would be when  released--- is to buy the e-book.

&gt; e-books should not cost as much as a regular book as I cannot loan it out, sell it or trade it or donate it later.  They have less value.  No chance of getting it signed by the author or admire the cover artwork.  

&gt; If the publisher&#039;s want to set a later date for the e-book version, fine... but don&#039;t keep switching it or delaying it.    Or make it available for the same day at the same price (if it is paperback anyway)... whatever.  *I still cling to my above belief about pricing.

&gt;  I don&#039;t really buy e-books to save money (at least not for paperback copies) as I can get them easily and at a better price than the list price, usually.  It is to save space - both in my home and in my suitcase.

For the record, I buy books in all formats: hardcover, paperback, kindle format, and audio.  I even own many series in multiple formats.  I have no interest in the iPad as I want an non-backlit e-reader not a hand-held computer.  I mostly read Urban Fantasy, but I will now search out something by Mr. Scalzi to read.  Thank-you for letting me rant.   Have a nice day.
---DEW---]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really tired of the dick waving.  To the publishing companies and Amazon (although it isn&#8217;t just them&#8230; titles were scrubbed from the B&amp;N site as well), I say this: put &#8216;em back in your pants.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about a behind-the-scenes pissing contest, and I loathe stupid stunts.  I know that at the midnight hour on March 30th when I downloaded a Patricia Briggs&#8217; Silver Borne (which is excellent,btw) because I just couldn&#8217;t wait to start reading it&#8211; even though I knew my reserved library copy would be available in 1-2 days at most&#8211; I checked on my pre-order of Changeless by Gail Carriger.  Yep, still due out March 30th in stores and April 1st for e-book format.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, I woke up to find a not-so-funny April Fool&#8217;s day surprise.  No book.  I spoke with an Amazon rep. and discovered it wasn&#8217;t a glitch with the format of the book that had to be fixed.  There was no future date that I could expect the book given.  I contacted Orbit publishing.  They wouldn&#8217;t comment or respond.  And I blame them as much as Amazon, which everyone  seems to be hating on.  (Both parties need to man up and quit with the pissing contests.)</p>
<p>If I knew that it wouldn&#8217;t be hurting the author, I would have cancelled my order for the book &#8212; and I was mad enough to do it, but it had been past 7 days so I couldn&#8217;t return my kindle version of Soulless &#8212; the marvellous first book in this particular series.  So, I might as well tough it out.  (note- I had already read it via the library.  I only purchased the ebook version so I could have the set.)</p>
<p>My opinion for what it is worth &#8212; as I can&#8217;t figure out what all the in-fighting and bickering is about:</p>
<p>&gt; e-books are not hurting the sales of hardcover books as much as publishing houses want to believe.  If I collect a book in hardcover, I will buy the book in hardcover.  If not, I get it from the library and wait to buy it in paperback.  The alternative, which actually would help sales&#8212; as the ebook price of just released hardcovers is higher than the paperback price would be when  released&#8212; is to buy the e-book.</p>
<p>&gt; e-books should not cost as much as a regular book as I cannot loan it out, sell it or trade it or donate it later.  They have less value.  No chance of getting it signed by the author or admire the cover artwork.  </p>
<p>&gt; If the publisher&#8217;s want to set a later date for the e-book version, fine&#8230; but don&#8217;t keep switching it or delaying it.    Or make it available for the same day at the same price (if it is paperback anyway)&#8230; whatever.  *I still cling to my above belief about pricing.</p>
<p>&gt;  I don&#8217;t really buy e-books to save money (at least not for paperback copies) as I can get them easily and at a better price than the list price, usually.  It is to save space &#8211; both in my home and in my suitcase.</p>
<p>For the record, I buy books in all formats: hardcover, paperback, kindle format, and audio.  I even own many series in multiple formats.  I have no interest in the iPad as I want an non-backlit e-reader not a hand-held computer.  I mostly read Urban Fantasy, but I will now search out something by Mr. Scalzi to read.  Thank-you for letting me rant.   Have a nice day.<br />
&#8212;DEW&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Deleted because James Smith João Pessoa clearly doesn&#039;t understand that just because he wants to be an asshole on my site doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m obliged to let him. So now he&#039;s done on this thread. I&#039;ve tolerated you enough, James. Come back when you&#039;ve learned manners -- JS]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Deleted because James Smith João Pessoa clearly doesn't understand that just because he wants to be an asshole on my site doesn't mean I'm obliged to let him. So now he's done on this thread. I've tolerated you enough, James. Come back when you've learned manners -- JS]</p>
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		<title>By: John Scalzi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Scalzi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James Smith João Pessoa:

You got a comment deleted because you were being an aggressive dickhead to one of the other commenters, and I don&#039;t appreciate that. Beyond that, &lt;a href=&quot;http://scalzi.com/whatever/?page_id=84&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;see the comment policy;&lt;/a&gt; it should help you understand who I moderate and why. And quite obviously, if you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t comment here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Smith João Pessoa:</p>
<p>You got a comment deleted because you were being an aggressive dickhead to one of the other commenters, and I don&#8217;t appreciate that. Beyond that, <a href="http://scalzi.com/whatever/?page_id=84" rel="nofollow">see the comment policy;</a> it should help you understand who I moderate and why. And quite obviously, if you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t comment here.</p>
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